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The part you're missing is that protesters breaking the law are 100% aware of that fact and have the opportunity not to do so. We have no idea of whether Floyd

The part you're missing is that protesters breaking the law are 100% aware of that fact and have the opportunity not to do so. We have no idea of whether Floyd was aware of the fact that he was passing a fake $20, if indeed he even was. (I doubt I'd notice a fake $20.) These two situations are not similar. And if you have doubts about protesters causing serious property damage, aggravated assault, and manslaughter if not murder, I suggest you start looking at the many videos available on the web. There are a lot of truly horrible people out there, and they're having a field day right now.

HarryHirsch 6y ago
The police can hold someone for 72 hours if there is probable cause, until the prosecution can put a case together. That said, you do ask how many people actually needed to be held because of suspicion of serious crime, and how many were held because the cops want to harass protesters and discourage protesting. Since everything is recorded by police anyway you do wonder why they keep anyone longer than necessary. Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully.
- downerending 6y ago
  > Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully. Why? Does a rioter murdering someone somehow balance out a bad cop murdering someone? No. You just end up with twice as much awful.
  - mindslight 6y ago
    Talking about the few protest associates committing crimes while ignoring the police committing crimes and backing each other up while doing so shows that you are only invoking the law as a tool to harm those you disagree with. Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves, using this nonsensical wedge of a "curfew" to justify opening fire on peaceful crowds. When crowds are attacked by marching lines of thugs, it's no surprise that they will attempt to defend themselves, creating mayhem.
    - downerending 6y ago
      > Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot. The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck.
      - mindslight 6y ago
        > I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot How does this aphorism not apply to the police? When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd, they are choosing to riot. If their goal was to prevent crime, they would deploy small units into the protest crowd to catch troublemakers directly. > The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck Agreed for those specific people. But the vast majority that get arrested have done no such thing. Rather they started off peacefully protesting, and were then attacked by the police for exercising that right. If the arrestees were all that violent to begin with, there is no way they would have become so concentrated for so many to get arrested.
        downerending 6y ago
        > When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day.
        mindslight 6y ago
        >> When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd > As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day. There are plenty of videos and stories of police firing and marching on peaceful crowds during this round of protests, if you care to look. I don't know what your intent is with writing off five decades of protests, but bluntly ignoring this is counterproductive to any hope of mutual understanding.

HarryHirsch 6y ago

The police can hold someone for 72 hours if there is probable cause, until the prosecution can put a case together. That said, you do ask how many people actually needed to be held because of suspicion of serious crime, and how many were held because the cops want to harass protesters and discourage protesting. Since everything is recorded by police anyway you do wonder why they keep anyone longer than necessary. Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully.

downerending 6y ago
> Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully. Why? Does a rioter murdering someone somehow balance out a bad cop murdering someone? No. You just end up with twice as much awful.
- mindslight 6y ago
  Talking about the few protest associates committing crimes while ignoring the police committing crimes and backing each other up while doing so shows that you are only invoking the law as a tool to harm those you disagree with. Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves, using this nonsensical wedge of a "curfew" to justify opening fire on peaceful crowds. When crowds are attacked by marching lines of thugs, it's no surprise that they will attempt to defend themselves, creating mayhem.
  - downerending 6y ago
    > Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot. The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck.
    - mindslight 6y ago
      > I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot How does this aphorism not apply to the police? When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd, they are choosing to riot. If their goal was to prevent crime, they would deploy small units into the protest crowd to catch troublemakers directly. > The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck Agreed for those specific people. But the vast majority that get arrested have done no such thing. Rather they started off peacefully protesting, and were then attacked by the police for exercising that right. If the arrestees were all that violent to begin with, there is no way they would have become so concentrated for so many to get arrested.
      - downerending 6y ago
        > When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day.
        mindslight 6y ago
        >> When they open fire or march on a peaceful crowd > As far as I know, the last time that happened in the US was May 4, 1970. A terrible, terrible day. There are plenty of videos and stories of police firing and marching on peaceful crowds during this round of protests, if you care to look. I don't know what your intent is with writing off five decades of protests, but bluntly ignoring this is counterproductive to any hope of mutual understanding.