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EKS is a feature parity product. The pricing makes that painfully obvious.

theptip 6y ago
Perhaps, in the box-ticking sense. I'd be surprised if they have the same operational maturity, which translates to uptime, which was what I was talking about. A quick search turns up these SLAs: <bad link> vs https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/containers-kubernetes/demand-more-from-your-cloud-provider-use-gke-advanced https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/containers-kubernetes... EKS: 3 nines GKE: 3.5 nines So Google is committing to 1/2 the downtime. (Note the GKE SLA is for regional clusters, which is what you should be doing if you care about uptime. The zonal cluster SLA is 2.5 nines. I couldn't find a difference in EKS, maybe there's an equivalent better SLA for regional clusters I couldn't find.) Edit - that EKS SLA link formatted weirdly, and so I did a little more digging and found a more recent SLA which matches GKE: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2020/03/amazon-eks-updates-level-agreement-to-99-95/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2020/03/amazon-ek... So, per my original comment, I am surprised. (Having never used EKS directly I have no idea what their actual uptime is; in my experience GKE has been way higher than 3.5 nines, but obviously I don't have enough data to make statistically significant observations on this.)
- AaronM 6y ago
  In the region we are running it, its not had an outage that has affected us since they launched it. We haven't had any issues with k8's upgrades either.
AaronM 6y ago
We've been using EKS since it went GA. We haven't had a single control plane outage that I am aware of.
- whatsmyusername 6y ago
  I'm sure it works fine if you can get it running (documentation didn't work when I played with it). I'm referring more to the $200/month it was per control plane. That to me is a product they offer because someone else is offering it, but they don't want you to actually use it.
  - amerine 6y ago
    I take it the isolated $200/control plane is too expensive. What do you think the right price point is for that isolation?
    - whatsmyusername 6y ago
      ECS control planes cost nothing. If you're actually looking to build isolation in AWS then you're going to need EC2 dedicated for your EKS member hosts. So you're not getting isolation for $200/month (I'd have to spec it out but dedicated hosts are pricey to the point that it'd be competing with physical hardware in a colo). That $200/month for not-really-isolated is also per plane. So if you want a separate staging environment it's another $200/month. Client API sandbox? Same thing. It's wack.
momokoko 6y ago
AWS wants k8s to fail because it works against the significant lock-in AWS has tricked teams into building themselves into. They do not want people already in the AWS ecosystem to move to EKS, it is instead there to not lose potential customers. And that is why pricing and features sit right at “good enough” and not great.

Perhaps, in the box-ticking sense. I'd be surprised if they have the same operational maturity, which translates to uptime, which was what I was talking about. A quick search turns up these SLAs: <bad link> vs https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/containers-kubernetes/demand-more-from-your-cloud-provider-use-gke-advanced https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/containers-kubernetes... EKS: 3 nines GKE: 3.5 nines So Google is committing to 1/2 the downtime. (Note the GKE SLA is for regional clusters, which is what you should be doing if you care about uptime. The zonal cluster SLA is 2.5 nines. I couldn't find a difference in EKS, maybe there's an equivalent better SLA for regional clusters I couldn't find.) Edit - that EKS SLA link formatted weirdly, and so I did a little more digging and found a more recent SLA which matches GKE: https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2020/03/amazon-eks-updates-level-agreement-to-99-95/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2020/03/amazon-ek... So, per my original comment, I am surprised. (Having never used EKS directly I have no idea what their actual uptime is; in my experience GKE has been way higher than 3.5 nines, but obviously I don't have enough data to make statistically significant observations on this.)

AaronM 6y ago
In the region we are running it, its not had an outage that has affected us since they launched it. We haven't had any issues with k8's upgrades either.

AaronM 6y ago

We've been using EKS since it went GA. We haven't had a single control plane outage that I am aware of.

whatsmyusername 6y ago
I'm sure it works fine if you can get it running (documentation didn't work when I played with it). I'm referring more to the $200/month it was per control plane. That to me is a product they offer because someone else is offering it, but they don't want you to actually use it.
- amerine 6y ago
  I take it the isolated $200/control plane is too expensive. What do you think the right price point is for that isolation?
  - whatsmyusername 6y ago
    ECS control planes cost nothing. If you're actually looking to build isolation in AWS then you're going to need EC2 dedicated for your EKS member hosts. So you're not getting isolation for $200/month (I'd have to spec it out but dedicated hosts are pricey to the point that it'd be competing with physical hardware in a colo). That $200/month for not-really-isolated is also per plane. So if you want a separate staging environment it's another $200/month. Client API sandbox? Same thing. It's wack.

momokoko 6y ago

AWS wants k8s to fail because it works against the significant lock-in AWS has tricked teams into building themselves into. They do not want people already in the AWS ecosystem to move to EKS, it is instead there to not lose potential customers. And that is why pricing and features sit right at “good enough” and not great.