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The 'needing a team' aspect of Kubernetes sounds remarkably similar to conversations I had like 8 years ago when Openstack was the new hotness. We went with EC

The 'needing a team' aspect of Kubernetes sounds remarkably similar to conversations I had like 8 years ago when Openstack was the new hotness. We went with ECS and have been happy with it. It plays well with all of AWS's other products and features. For the few things we have to run On-Prem we use Docker Swarm in single node mode and it works well (albeit missing a few features like crons from Kubernetes).

threeseed 6y ago
AWS Kubernetes (EKS) with Fargate is just as simple as ECS. Far simpler if you can include the fact that with Kubernetes you can install new applications as simply as "helm install prometheus".
- whatsmyusername 6y ago
  Are they still charging something ridiculous for control planes? When I looked at it they were like $200/month. I wasn't aware they were offering fargate on EKS now. They weren't when I looked at it last.
  - dtech 6y ago
    Since December 2019: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-eks-on-aws-fargate-now-generally-available/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-eks-on-aws-fargate-n...
StreamBright 6y ago
Yep. I remember the Openstack consultants swarming to office trying to sell it as a solution and not a giant overhead / problem. Luckily they failed the POC so we did not need to waste our life on a non-issue trying to solve it with a non-solution. Now it is k8s' time to do the same. We will see how far this buzzword train gonna go.
- whatsmyusername 6y ago
  TBF I like k8s as a service or platform. Once metallb came out to solve the "bare metal load balancer" problem it could deliver the entire product I was looking for. My big issue with it is the underlying complexity and house of cards nature of running your control plane as sidecar containers on your runtime infrastructure. You CAN set it up and run the control plane out of band, but last I looked there wasn't step by step documentation for doing so. I also couldn't find anyone doing it in prod which to me is a nonstarter. If I can't figure it out myself and can't hire for it I'm not doing it. I'm sure it's fine on google cloud, but ECS solves 90% of our problems AND integrates with everything else we're using already.

threeseed 6y ago

AWS Kubernetes (EKS) with Fargate is just as simple as ECS. Far simpler if you can include the fact that with Kubernetes you can install new applications as simply as "helm install prometheus".

whatsmyusername 6y ago
Are they still charging something ridiculous for control planes? When I looked at it they were like $200/month. I wasn't aware they were offering fargate on EKS now. They weren't when I looked at it last.
- dtech 6y ago
  Since December 2019: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-eks-on-aws-fargate-now-generally-available/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-eks-on-aws-fargate-n...

StreamBright 6y ago

Yep. I remember the Openstack consultants swarming to office trying to sell it as a solution and not a giant overhead / problem. Luckily they failed the POC so we did not need to waste our life on a non-issue trying to solve it with a non-solution. Now it is k8s' time to do the same. We will see how far this buzzword train gonna go.

whatsmyusername 6y ago
TBF I like k8s as a service or platform. Once metallb came out to solve the "bare metal load balancer" problem it could deliver the entire product I was looking for. My big issue with it is the underlying complexity and house of cards nature of running your control plane as sidecar containers on your runtime infrastructure. You CAN set it up and run the control plane out of band, but last I looked there wasn't step by step documentation for doing so. I also couldn't find anyone doing it in prod which to me is a nonstarter. If I can't figure it out myself and can't hire for it I'm not doing it. I'm sure it's fine on google cloud, but ECS solves 90% of our problems AND integrates with everything else we're using already.