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The proper comparison is between law-abiding protesters and law-abiding churchgoers. Yeah, protesters that break the law, especially by committing serious acts

The proper comparison is between law-abiding protesters and law-abiding churchgoers. Yeah, protesters that break the law, especially by committing serious acts of violence or property damage, can expect to spend quite a while in jail. Many would say not nearly long enough.

HarryHirsch 6y ago
You are committing the same fallacy at Derek Chauvin, who got called to someone passing a possibly fake $20 bill and sat on the suspect's neck until he died. This isn't how it's supposed to work, everyone is supposed to get their day on court and get the lawful punishment. Any protester who is arrested may or may not have caused property damage (most didn't move away when told to, I wonder how many will have their charges dropped), but there is no reason at all not to take name and address quickly and send them on their way. But police seems to enjoy to inflict extrajudicial punishment, which is why no one likes them. They should be treated like Ronald Reagan treated aircraft controllers: fire them all and hire new ones to make a clean sheet.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  You seem to be ignoring the "especially by committing serious acts of violence or property damage" part of downerending's comment. Curfew breakers? Sure, they don't need to stay in jail. Arsonists? Those who physically assaulted others? Different story.
- downerending 6y ago
  The part you're missing is that protesters breaking the law are 100% aware of that fact and have the opportunity not to do so. We have no idea of whether Floyd was aware of the fact that he was passing a fake $20, if indeed he even was. (I doubt I'd notice a fake $20.) These two situations are not similar. And if you have doubts about protesters causing serious property damage, aggravated assault, and manslaughter if not murder, I suggest you start looking at the many videos available on the web. There are a lot of truly horrible people out there, and they're having a field day right now.
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    The police can hold someone for 72 hours if there is probable cause, until the prosecution can put a case together. That said, you do ask how many people actually needed to be held because of suspicion of serious crime, and how many were held because the cops want to harass protesters and discourage protesting. Since everything is recorded by police anyway you do wonder why they keep anyone longer than necessary. Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully.
    - downerending 6y ago
      > Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully. Why? Does a rioter murdering someone somehow balance out a bad cop murdering someone? No. You just end up with twice as much awful.
      - mindslight 6y ago
        Talking about the few protest associates committing crimes while ignoring the police committing crimes and backing each other up while doing so shows that you are only invoking the law as a tool to harm those you disagree with. Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves, using this nonsensical wedge of a "curfew" to justify opening fire on peaceful crowds. When crowds are attacked by marching lines of thugs, it's no surprise that they will attempt to defend themselves, creating mayhem.
        downerending 6y ago
        > Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot. The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck.
        mindslight 6y ago
jjgreen 6y ago
Like slashing tyres?
- downerending 6y ago
  Found the Brit. :-) (What's up with throwing bicycles at horses? That's just mean.)
- ardy42 6y ago
  > Like slashing tyres? Are you referring to this? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/slashed-tires-protests/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/slashed-tires-protests/ > Law enforcement officers in Minnesota slashed the tires of cars parked near demonstrations against police brutality in May 2020. > Rating: True

HarryHirsch 6y ago

You are committing the same fallacy at Derek Chauvin, who got called to someone passing a possibly fake $20 bill and sat on the suspect's neck until he died. This isn't how it's supposed to work, everyone is supposed to get their day on court and get the lawful punishment. Any protester who is arrested may or may not have caused property damage (most didn't move away when told to, I wonder how many will have their charges dropped), but there is no reason at all not to take name and address quickly and send them on their way. But police seems to enjoy to inflict extrajudicial punishment, which is why no one likes them. They should be treated like Ronald Reagan treated aircraft controllers: fire them all and hire new ones to make a clean sheet.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
You seem to be ignoring the "especially by committing serious acts of violence or property damage" part of downerending's comment. Curfew breakers? Sure, they don't need to stay in jail. Arsonists? Those who physically assaulted others? Different story.
downerending 6y ago
The part you're missing is that protesters breaking the law are 100% aware of that fact and have the opportunity not to do so. We have no idea of whether Floyd was aware of the fact that he was passing a fake $20, if indeed he even was. (I doubt I'd notice a fake $20.) These two situations are not similar. And if you have doubts about protesters causing serious property damage, aggravated assault, and manslaughter if not murder, I suggest you start looking at the many videos available on the web. There are a lot of truly horrible people out there, and they're having a field day right now.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  The police can hold someone for 72 hours if there is probable cause, until the prosecution can put a case together. That said, you do ask how many people actually needed to be held because of suspicion of serious crime, and how many were held because the cops want to harass protesters and discourage protesting. Since everything is recorded by police anyway you do wonder why they keep anyone longer than necessary. Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully.
  - downerending 6y ago
    > Anyone who mentions rioters and does not talk about police brutality needs to examine their motives carefully. Why? Does a rioter murdering someone somehow balance out a bad cop murdering someone? No. You just end up with twice as much awful.
    - mindslight 6y ago
      Talking about the few protest associates committing crimes while ignoring the police committing crimes and backing each other up while doing so shows that you are only invoking the law as a tool to harm those you disagree with. Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves, using this nonsensical wedge of a "curfew" to justify opening fire on peaceful crowds. When crowds are attacked by marching lines of thugs, it's no surprise that they will attempt to defend themselves, creating mayhem.
      - downerending 6y ago
        > Most of the rioting has been started by the police themselves I reject that completely. If you riot, you choose to riot. The rioters I have seen shooting and stabbing people, and kicking them in the head while down are criminals. There is no passing of that buck.
        mindslight 6y ago

jjgreen 6y ago

Like slashing tyres?

downerending 6y ago
Found the Brit. :-) (What's up with throwing bicycles at horses? That's just mean.)
ardy42 6y ago
> Like slashing tyres? Are you referring to this? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/slashed-tires-protests/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/slashed-tires-protests/ > Law enforcement officers in Minnesota slashed the tires of cars parked near demonstrations against police brutality in May 2020. > Rating: True