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People are down-voting because they disagree. While it's not something I agree with, it's officially sanctioned on HN. If I'm continually pushing buggy code, t

People are down-voting because they disagree. While it's not something I agree with, it's officially sanctioned on HN. If I'm continually pushing buggy code, that's something that I'm going to be personally held accountable for. Blamed if you will. That's because I'm the only one involved. My team isn't constantly writing buggy code, I am. If I push buggy code into production and take down the site then the team is to blame. Why is our process setup such that I can do so. EVERYONE, even the best programmers will make mistakes, and if the process allows those mistakes through to production then the TEAM has failed to build a suitably robust process, not the person who happened to write a bug, because every human being will be that person one day. Your taking a once sentence philosophy about how to deal with technical incidents and treating it like we're advocating it as a universal and moral absolute. No one is claiming that if I throw a rock through someone's windshield my whole team should be arrested. What we are saying is that is I make a slip up and write a bug that takes down DDG, I shouldn't be held accountable for taking down DDG. If there's a larger pattern of poor decision making I'll be help accountable for THAT, but it's completely 100% separate from the outcome of knocking production offline.

crimsonalucard1 6y ago
>People are down-voting because they disagree. While it's not something I agree with, it's officially sanctioned on HN. I think a lot of vote downs are emotional and reactionary rather than genuine disagreement. I think that's the majority. I can't fault people for this as it's part of human nature but I don't think this type of voting is ever officially sanctioned by HN. >If I push buggy code into production and take down the site then the team is to blame. And you are not? I propose that you and the team should take the blame. People make mistakes but all the time and they shouldn't be singled out for it, but I don't think it's good etiquette for the team member who made the mistake not to own up to the mistake either. >Your taking a once sentence philosophy about how to deal with technical incidents and treating it like we're advocating it as a universal and moral absolute It's a one sentence philosophy that doesn't hold any logic in my opinion. I'm not saying anything is morally absolute here, I'm trying to say that the quotation doesn't even hold up in even the most basic situation. It's elegantly written, no doubt, but I think that elegance is deceptive and that's why I wanted to say something. The real world in my opinion is nowhere even remotely close to that philosophy. I would argue that philosophy is just a surface level special case. In the real world people get blamed and fired all the time.

crimsonalucard1 6y ago

>People are down-voting because they disagree. While it's not something I agree with, it's officially sanctioned on HN. I think a lot of vote downs are emotional and reactionary rather than genuine disagreement. I think that's the majority. I can't fault people for this as it's part of human nature but I don't think this type of voting is ever officially sanctioned by HN. >If I push buggy code into production and take down the site then the team is to blame. And you are not? I propose that you and the team should take the blame. People make mistakes but all the time and they shouldn't be singled out for it, but I don't think it's good etiquette for the team member who made the mistake not to own up to the mistake either. >Your taking a once sentence philosophy about how to deal with technical incidents and treating it like we're advocating it as a universal and moral absolute It's a one sentence philosophy that doesn't hold any logic in my opinion. I'm not saying anything is morally absolute here, I'm trying to say that the quotation doesn't even hold up in even the most basic situation. It's elegantly written, no doubt, but I think that elegance is deceptive and that's why I wanted to say something. The real world in my opinion is nowhere even remotely close to that philosophy. I would argue that philosophy is just a surface level special case. In the real world people get blamed and fired all the time.