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As someone that has been involved it in hacking apple products and making some pocket change from it in a past life, I hardly think apple has a reputation for d

by edge17 16y ago

As someone that has been involved it in hacking apple products and making some pocket change from it in a past life, I hardly think apple has a reputation for disliking these people. If anything, apple looks at what people come up with 'off the ranch' and pulls it into their own stuff if they like it. Apple may have this 'reputation,' but it's purely because the press wants to have it painted this way. I'm no fanboy or anything, I've had a business crushed at their hands; as an engineer and a business guy, I find their decisions to be relatively rational and I was well aware of what was coming well before it was delivered. People like to point to the guy on top as big and evil. Rightnow it's Apple, 12-15 years ago it was Microsoft. Tomorrow it could be Google.

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skbohra123 16y ago
But it certainly sounds like as if you are an Apple fanboy. Apple do hate hacking on their products, restrictions of using itunes for anything Apple is something I just can't bear with, along with restrictions like using OS/X for developing iphone/ipod apps.
- bonzoesc 16y ago
  Ignoring the impossibility of a publicly-held company "hating" things, if Apple "hated" iOS jailbreaking/hacking, there'd be members of the teams that develop the techniques and capabilities in court just like geohot. The iTunes cracking restrictions are probably related to their contracts with providers selling stuff on the iTunes store. The requirement to use iTunes for managing iOS devices is simply because no other software has been written to do it. There's no documented requirement to only use Mac OS X for iOS development. Infinity Blade (seen here on the left: http://www.apple.com/ipad/from-the-app-store/games.html http://www.apple.com/ipad/from-the-app-store/games.html ) was mostly developed in Windows ( see http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/GettingStartediOSDevelopment.html http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/GettingStartediOSDevelopment.... ).
- edge17 16y ago
  To add to bonzoesc, who likes their product getting hacked? It's a business and they're trying to make money. The business plans on these high profile products with years of dev time are made years in advance. In technology, that's a lifetime, and in hardware doing pivots isn't trivial. There's also very real concerns regarding hacking - i.e. you want to avoid getting the rep for being that company responsible (think Sidekick) for the Paris Hilton situation, where all of hollywood's A-list celebrities phone numbers get leaked onto the internet. You're trying to build a secure device. The business motivations are obvious. Apple builds a good closed system. Google builds a janky open system. Both models work, neither is right or wrong, and both companys go to the bank. And just to put things into perspective, there was no App Store when Apple launched the iphone. I'm pretty sure they never intended for there to be, but once they saw what people were coming up with 'off the ranch' it became fairly obvious to them to let developers develop on their platform. The reason I'm fairly certain Apple had no initial plans for this is simply because, on the version of the first public firmware (and only the first one), everything ran as root user... that's just idiotic.
recoiledsnake 16y ago
What about things like this? http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/26/apple-bans-android-magazine-app/ http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/26/apple-bans-android-ma...
- gphil 16y ago
  Why should Apple agree to distribute (presumably positive) content about their primary competitor? I can't find anything wrong with this decision.
  - mcantelon 16y ago
    It's indicates insecurity on their part about their products and a lack of respect for their users. Why not let the market decide?
    - cheez 16y ago
      If there is anything I have learned about Steve Jobs, it is that he decides for the market.
    - nmueller 16y ago
      Are you saying they should also sell Android phones in their retail stores?
    - edge17 16y ago
      The market will decide. The market is the final judge on all decisions. Sometimes it takes a little longer for the dust to settle, but if a decision ended up being a bad decision then either change or get owned for it.
- edge17 16y ago
  businesses aren't democratic, plain and simple. If that had been the government saying you couldn't publish your book about Islam or Judaism or something, then that's something to get up in arms about.

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skbohra123 16y ago

But it certainly sounds like as if you are an Apple fanboy. Apple do hate hacking on their products, restrictions of using itunes for anything Apple is something I just can't bear with, along with restrictions like using OS/X for developing iphone/ipod apps.

bonzoesc 16y ago
Ignoring the impossibility of a publicly-held company "hating" things, if Apple "hated" iOS jailbreaking/hacking, there'd be members of the teams that develop the techniques and capabilities in court just like geohot. The iTunes cracking restrictions are probably related to their contracts with providers selling stuff on the iTunes store. The requirement to use iTunes for managing iOS devices is simply because no other software has been written to do it. There's no documented requirement to only use Mac OS X for iOS development. Infinity Blade (seen here on the left: http://www.apple.com/ipad/from-the-app-store/games.html http://www.apple.com/ipad/from-the-app-store/games.html ) was mostly developed in Windows ( see http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/GettingStartediOSDevelopment.html http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/GettingStartediOSDevelopment.... ).
edge17 16y ago
To add to bonzoesc, who likes their product getting hacked? It's a business and they're trying to make money. The business plans on these high profile products with years of dev time are made years in advance. In technology, that's a lifetime, and in hardware doing pivots isn't trivial. There's also very real concerns regarding hacking - i.e. you want to avoid getting the rep for being that company responsible (think Sidekick) for the Paris Hilton situation, where all of hollywood's A-list celebrities phone numbers get leaked onto the internet. You're trying to build a secure device. The business motivations are obvious. Apple builds a good closed system. Google builds a janky open system. Both models work, neither is right or wrong, and both companys go to the bank. And just to put things into perspective, there was no App Store when Apple launched the iphone. I'm pretty sure they never intended for there to be, but once they saw what people were coming up with 'off the ranch' it became fairly obvious to them to let developers develop on their platform. The reason I'm fairly certain Apple had no initial plans for this is simply because, on the version of the first public firmware (and only the first one), everything ran as root user... that's just idiotic.

recoiledsnake 16y ago

What about things like this? http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/26/apple-bans-android-magazine-app/ http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/26/apple-bans-android-ma...

gphil 16y ago
Why should Apple agree to distribute (presumably positive) content about their primary competitor? I can't find anything wrong with this decision.
- mcantelon 16y ago
  It's indicates insecurity on their part about their products and a lack of respect for their users. Why not let the market decide?
  - cheez 16y ago
    If there is anything I have learned about Steve Jobs, it is that he decides for the market.
  - nmueller 16y ago
    Are you saying they should also sell Android phones in their retail stores?
  - edge17 16y ago
    The market will decide. The market is the final judge on all decisions. Sometimes it takes a little longer for the dust to settle, but if a decision ended up being a bad decision then either change or get owned for it.
edge17 16y ago
businesses aren't democratic, plain and simple. If that had been the government saying you couldn't publish your book about Islam or Judaism or something, then that's something to get up in arms about.