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i really hope that if they are able to iron things out, that psychedelic drugs can be safely prescribed as an alternative for people with depression. NA and AA

i really hope that if they are able to iron things out, that psychedelic drugs can be safely prescribed as an alternative for people with depression. NA and AA (Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous) both permit alternative forms of and narcotic medicine as long as 1) they are the only available options or last ditch effort 2) prescribed by doctor which knows your addiction history 3) you are regularly and closely monitored (by doctor and support group) even with those stipulations and checks in place, relapse is something to be concerned with. i just had a close friend relapse after 18 years cause of pain pills that were prescribed to him. in the programs defense though, he was ignoring rule #3 where he was ignoring being regularly and closely monitored by doctor and support group.

josephpmay 6y ago
As someone who is in MA and has a fair amount of experience with psychedelics, I don't think they are likely to trigger a relapse of other drugs. I won't say that there is never a risk of addiction to LSD or Mushrooms (I met someone yesterday who used psychedelics every week for two years), but for the vast majority of people it's an intense experience that they don't want to experience often.
- thrownaway954 6y ago
  I would rather not take the risk of relapse.
ta17711771 6y ago
I know this isn't what you were saying, but, pain killers are absolutely nothing like psychedelics, for the reason the other commenter said, and many more.
- thrownaway954 6y ago
  In the eyes of NA, a drug is a drug. if you use a drug that isn't prescribed by your doctor, it is a relapse. we can go about slicing hairs all day, but the bottom line is that using a drug without being prescribed by a doctor is considered a relapse.
- moneytide1 6y ago
  Someone at work today was talking about their mother having an ulcer in her liver due to excessive pain killer use. I once slipped on a damp metal roof while installing rural internet. That flap of skin between your index finger and thumb? Imagine cutting it with scissors. No tendons were hit, but yes it hurt (instinct traded me a deep cut instead of broken legs). That pain I heeded, but I was more concerned with the pain of potential infection that I felt a few years before after breaking hand blisters during springtime. Pollen entered and infected, waking me up in the middle of the night a few days later with throbbing, swelling, extreme pain - all I could think of was the prospect of amputation. I value the productivity of my hands more than anything, therefore without insurance I was not going to question throwing $200 towards treatment. The work related cut needed stitches, with anesthesia (that I had a brief reaction to - perhaps psychological since I was witnessing a needle go into my hand without feeling anything). The price tag was similar. But I was prescribed cephalexin for antibiotic... and hydrocodone for "pain". I did not fill the pain killer prescription out of principle, because of course it will hurt for a few days - a useful signal issued from the body to prompt me to pay special attention to that area during regeneration. I have been bothered ever since - these "doctors" issuing opioids like candy for the smallest ailments (perhaps incentivized by quotas therefore personal gain). Pain is a useful signal, and if artificially suppressed - we are missing the point and ignoring nature. If you put your hand on a hot stove, and it hurts? Then yes, remove the hand because it did not feel good. Do not suppress the pain artificially so you can keep your hand on the hot stove.

josephpmay 6y ago

As someone who is in MA and has a fair amount of experience with psychedelics, I don't think they are likely to trigger a relapse of other drugs. I won't say that there is never a risk of addiction to LSD or Mushrooms (I met someone yesterday who used psychedelics every week for two years), but for the vast majority of people it's an intense experience that they don't want to experience often.

thrownaway954 6y ago
I would rather not take the risk of relapse.

ta17711771 6y ago

I know this isn't what you were saying, but, pain killers are absolutely nothing like psychedelics, for the reason the other commenter said, and many more.

thrownaway954 6y ago
In the eyes of NA, a drug is a drug. if you use a drug that isn't prescribed by your doctor, it is a relapse. we can go about slicing hairs all day, but the bottom line is that using a drug without being prescribed by a doctor is considered a relapse.
moneytide1 6y ago
Someone at work today was talking about their mother having an ulcer in her liver due to excessive pain killer use. I once slipped on a damp metal roof while installing rural internet. That flap of skin between your index finger and thumb? Imagine cutting it with scissors. No tendons were hit, but yes it hurt (instinct traded me a deep cut instead of broken legs). That pain I heeded, but I was more concerned with the pain of potential infection that I felt a few years before after breaking hand blisters during springtime. Pollen entered and infected, waking me up in the middle of the night a few days later with throbbing, swelling, extreme pain - all I could think of was the prospect of amputation. I value the productivity of my hands more than anything, therefore without insurance I was not going to question throwing $200 towards treatment. The work related cut needed stitches, with anesthesia (that I had a brief reaction to - perhaps psychological since I was witnessing a needle go into my hand without feeling anything). The price tag was similar. But I was prescribed cephalexin for antibiotic... and hydrocodone for "pain". I did not fill the pain killer prescription out of principle, because of course it will hurt for a few days - a useful signal issued from the body to prompt me to pay special attention to that area during regeneration. I have been bothered ever since - these "doctors" issuing opioids like candy for the smallest ailments (perhaps incentivized by quotas therefore personal gain). Pain is a useful signal, and if artificially suppressed - we are missing the point and ignoring nature. If you put your hand on a hot stove, and it hurts? Then yes, remove the hand because it did not feel good. Do not suppress the pain artificially so you can keep your hand on the hot stove.