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Sorry to meta-comment, but I think this really isn't in the spirit of the kind of discussion we try to maintain on HN. It is also demonstrably false and not ev

Sorry to meta-comment, but I think this really isn't in the spirit of the kind of discussion we try to maintain on HN. It is also demonstrably false and not even a good generalization.

4636760295 6y ago
You can silence us, but that doesn't make us disappear.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  It keeps the community healthy though, and you still get to consume high signal content.
  - 4636760295 6y ago
    I think the time for sitting around singing kumbaya has passed. It's time to start acting, because if we don't this planet is fucked.
    - jamil7 6y ago
      So get involved in something. Demonstrate, join a local activist group, volunteer, vote, change your lifestyle drastically. Pointing fingers over the internet isn't helpful.
      - 4636760295 6y ago
        Disagree, it's important to start changing the dialogue everywhere you can. HN likes to stick their head in the sand because a lot of the people on this site benefit directly from companies/investors who are part of the problem.
        deleted 6y ago
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        4636760295 6y ago
        I can't afford that, I'm a wage slave. So I have to fight with the limited means I have, and one way I can fight (aside from protesting) is to make noise on the internet.
        deleted 6y ago
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        jamil7 6y ago
        Changing the dialogue maybe, but thats not what your (now removed) comment did. It targeted a specific group of people and shifted the blame onto them. I've been involved in various climate and environmental related protests, blockades, open source projects and acts of (peaceful) civil disobedience and I've seen people from all age groups and walks of life getting involved. Alienating, blame shifting and generalising helps nobody. Instead point your frustration and energy at the system that they're a product of.
        4636760295 6y ago
        So you're saying we should just ignore the facts? The fact is: the government is mostly controlled by one particular demographic, and they are the ones who got us to this point. They want to maintain the status quo because it's the system that got them where they are, and they want to continue to benefit from it. You are naive if you think you can change the world without first acknowledging where the problems came from to begin with. The reason why nothing changes is because there's a revolving door of the same people being in charge year after year.
    - NicoJuicy 6y ago
      Downvoted. Because it's easy to blame other things. It's hard to find workable solutions and you are not contributing any value. HN is not Reddit.
      - 4636760295 6y ago
        Yeah, good idea, let's do nothing for another 100 years.
- seiferteric 6y ago
  "Boomers" are just people born before us. If you or I were born earlier would we have acted better than them? Probably not because people are shaped by their culture and environment. So whats the point of this argument?
  - 4636760295 6y ago
    Just look at any of the data surrounding a) who's running the government (hint: boomers) and b) who's voting for republicans (hint: boomers). Be mad if you want, but the data doesn't lie. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party-has-an-older-voters-problem.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party... https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45583.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45583.pdf
  - gonzo41 6y ago
    I think the angst with "boomers" is due to the fact that today's culture and the environment and modern science points out that we, all of us, should act in a better way to our environment. However a lot of older folk seems to think that can reasonably hold onto the prevailing view that existed when they were born rather than confront reality. Young people today have an eye's open approach to the disasters that are coming and a lot of the responsible people are going skip out helping with the bill. The anger is understandable.
    - seiferteric 6y ago
      Certainly, but the way forward is to come up with convincing arguments and better solutions to the problems at hand. Blaming boomers is not effective. My point is that if you or I were born 30+ years earlier, we would be behaving (statistically) exactly the same way. So the blame game is pointless, in the end people are people.
      - gonzo41 6y ago
        You're right, people are people. The blame game makes perfect sense. :P
      - 6y ago

Sorry to meta-comment, but I think this really isn't in the spirit of the kind of discussion we try to maintain on HN. It is also demonstrably false and not even a good generalization.

4636760295 6y ago

You can silence us, but that doesn't make us disappear.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
It keeps the community healthy though, and you still get to consume high signal content.
- 4636760295 6y ago
  I think the time for sitting around singing kumbaya has passed. It's time to start acting, because if we don't this planet is fucked.
  - jamil7 6y ago
    So get involved in something. Demonstrate, join a local activist group, volunteer, vote, change your lifestyle drastically. Pointing fingers over the internet isn't helpful.
    - 4636760295 6y ago
      Disagree, it's important to start changing the dialogue everywhere you can. HN likes to stick their head in the sand because a lot of the people on this site benefit directly from companies/investors who are part of the problem.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
        4636760295 6y ago
        I can't afford that, I'm a wage slave. So I have to fight with the limited means I have, and one way I can fight (aside from protesting) is to make noise on the internet.
        deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - jamil7 6y ago
        Changing the dialogue maybe, but thats not what your (now removed) comment did. It targeted a specific group of people and shifted the blame onto them. I've been involved in various climate and environmental related protests, blockades, open source projects and acts of (peaceful) civil disobedience and I've seen people from all age groups and walks of life getting involved. Alienating, blame shifting and generalising helps nobody. Instead point your frustration and energy at the system that they're a product of.
        4636760295 6y ago
        So you're saying we should just ignore the facts? The fact is: the government is mostly controlled by one particular demographic, and they are the ones who got us to this point. They want to maintain the status quo because it's the system that got them where they are, and they want to continue to benefit from it. You are naive if you think you can change the world without first acknowledging where the problems came from to begin with. The reason why nothing changes is because there's a revolving door of the same people being in charge year after year.
  - NicoJuicy 6y ago
    Downvoted. Because it's easy to blame other things. It's hard to find workable solutions and you are not contributing any value. HN is not Reddit.
    - 4636760295 6y ago
      Yeah, good idea, let's do nothing for another 100 years.
seiferteric 6y ago
"Boomers" are just people born before us. If you or I were born earlier would we have acted better than them? Probably not because people are shaped by their culture and environment. So whats the point of this argument?
- 4636760295 6y ago
  Just look at any of the data surrounding a) who's running the government (hint: boomers) and b) who's voting for republicans (hint: boomers). Be mad if you want, but the data doesn't lie. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party-has-an-older-voters-problem.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party... https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45583.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45583.pdf
- gonzo41 6y ago
  I think the angst with "boomers" is due to the fact that today's culture and the environment and modern science points out that we, all of us, should act in a better way to our environment. However a lot of older folk seems to think that can reasonably hold onto the prevailing view that existed when they were born rather than confront reality. Young people today have an eye's open approach to the disasters that are coming and a lot of the responsible people are going skip out helping with the bill. The anger is understandable.
  - seiferteric 6y ago
    Certainly, but the way forward is to come up with convincing arguments and better solutions to the problems at hand. Blaming boomers is not effective. My point is that if you or I were born 30+ years earlier, we would be behaving (statistically) exactly the same way. So the blame game is pointless, in the end people are people.
    - gonzo41 6y ago
      You're right, people are people. The blame game makes perfect sense. :P
    - 6y ago