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Hmm, wonder what they'd think about some other tech terminology then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mas

by CM30 6y ago

Hmm, wonder what they'd think about some other tech terminology then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology) Or talks of this in typesetting? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widows_and_orphans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widows_and_orphans But seriously, this is silly. Words and phrases can have multiple meanings, and they can be used for perfectly innocuous reasons in various fields.

majewsky 6y ago
I built a federated datastore recently, and was very careful to always say "primary/replica" instead of "master/slave".
noble_pleb 6y ago
Exactly, this is just going to open up a pandora's box. What about black box testing, is that racist too? And english terms like blacksmith and black-belt? There are terms like "blue-collar vs white-collar" too which (according to some) deems the physical labor class as inferior to the "white" intellectual class. And there are general english phrases too like "things aren't always black and white, there is a lot of grey area in between".
- jgwil2 6y ago
  Those terms don't explicitly attach a moral value to colors in the way that the blacklist/whitelist terminology does.
  - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
    Then how about "black hat hacker"? Wonder what the reaction would be if people requested that "brownout" no longer be used because it's insensitive to certain races.
  - ThA0x1 6y ago
    Blacklist/whitelist do not explicitly attach moral values to color either. Blacklisting can be a good thing. For example, you can be blacklisted from a gang's kill list because you did good deeds for the neighborhood. The only people attaching moral values to these are people trying to gaslight others into believing "black=bad".
  - ThA0x2 6y ago
    Blacklist/whitelist do not attach moral values to color either. Do you have a peer reviewed study that states these words attach moral values? Being blacklisted can be a morally good thing. An example: You can be blacklisted from a gang's kill list because you did good deeds for the neighborhood. The only people attaching moral values to these are people trying to gaslight others into believing "black=bad".
cvburgess 6y ago
I wouldnt agree there. Words are powerful and just becuase they have multiple meanings does not mean that those meanings are not intertwined. Regardless, those terms don't translate well and only make sense to people from other languages and cultures if you translate it and add the history to it. Primary and Replica accomplishes the same goal but don't get weighed down with "what is a slave" or "why is the master in control of the slave". Yeah, its a little inconvenient, but making software more inclusive is a pretty worthy goal and it wont take long to update the majority of tools and texts. Staying comfortable because its convenient, while it makes other people uncomfortable, is probably why software is still largely a white male industry.

by CM30 6y ago

majewsky 6y ago

I built a federated datastore recently, and was very careful to always say "primary/replica" instead of "master/slave".

noble_pleb 6y ago

Exactly, this is just going to open up a pandora's box. What about black box testing, is that racist too? And english terms like blacksmith and black-belt? There are terms like "blue-collar vs white-collar" too which (according to some) deems the physical labor class as inferior to the "white" intellectual class. And there are general english phrases too like "things aren't always black and white, there is a lot of grey area in between".

jgwil2 6y ago
Those terms don't explicitly attach a moral value to colors in the way that the blacklist/whitelist terminology does.
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  Then how about "black hat hacker"? Wonder what the reaction would be if people requested that "brownout" no longer be used because it's insensitive to certain races.
- ThA0x1 6y ago
  Blacklist/whitelist do not explicitly attach moral values to color either. Blacklisting can be a good thing. For example, you can be blacklisted from a gang's kill list because you did good deeds for the neighborhood. The only people attaching moral values to these are people trying to gaslight others into believing "black=bad".
- ThA0x2 6y ago
  Blacklist/whitelist do not attach moral values to color either. Do you have a peer reviewed study that states these words attach moral values? Being blacklisted can be a morally good thing. An example: You can be blacklisted from a gang's kill list because you did good deeds for the neighborhood. The only people attaching moral values to these are people trying to gaslight others into believing "black=bad".

cvburgess 6y ago

I wouldnt agree there. Words are powerful and just becuase they have multiple meanings does not mean that those meanings are not intertwined. Regardless, those terms don't translate well and only make sense to people from other languages and cultures if you translate it and add the history to it. Primary and Replica accomplishes the same goal but don't get weighed down with "what is a slave" or "why is the master in control of the slave". Yeah, its a little inconvenient, but making software more inclusive is a pretty worthy goal and it wont take long to update the majority of tools and texts. Staying comfortable because its convenient, while it makes other people uncomfortable, is probably why software is still largely a white male industry.