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Full automation in the open field is bound to fail as there are so many factors you can't predict, weather, pests, market demand. You will inevitably end up wit

by rini17 6y ago

Full automation in the open field is bound to fail as there are so many factors you can't predict, weather, pests, market demand. You will inevitably end up with some kind of warehouse hydroponics under artificial light. In urban environment there is always (at least leisure) labour available. You have to stop fixating on labour as a problem and instead think how to attract people to come and maintain the garden.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
We do not have labour. Those who do not actively farm for their living do not understand how serious the labour issue is.. 100 acres is not a ‘garden’. The denial of labour availability as a problem by non farmers and tech sector is why there is no labour automating innovation in Ag. Why isn’t anyone listening to us?
- giantg2 6y ago
  People are listening. Look at Ag Funder. They invest in agricultural tech. There have been advances in automating aspects of agriculture. Tractors that can drive themselves, irrigation systems based on soil moisture, etc. One of the problems is that small farms are less and less viable since the 80s and have been consolidated under large companies. There's not much incentive to develop solutions to small farm issues when the big farms source labor for a couple cents per pound. Even when the solutions are available, they will price out the small farms.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    Ok. Thanks for your input.
- rini17 6y ago
  I am not listening to you because you seem to insist on automating 100 acres of land in urban environment. This implies you have to keep out all the people living around, to prevent them from interfering with the automation. That sounds utterly absurd. Why not doing it on large scale (to reap automation scaling advantage) and away from cities (to leave more urban environment for... how to say it... human activity?) Oh, and 100 acres _is_ a community garden. In Europe these are everywhere.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    There are 100 acre community gardens everywhere in Europe? I have lived in Europe. Where exactly is this? Thanks. Of course, we need to keep ‘people out’ of working environments. Large scale Ag benefiting from automation grow commodity crops and not food crops. Next?
    - rini17 6y ago
      What kind of examples do you need? Community gardens don't have much online presence if at all. They can be spot quite easily on sat photos, you can look yourself. Example: [1] Is it foregone conclusion that large scale benefits stop at 100 acres just because it's food crop, not commodity crop? How so? [1] https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1932402,17.1483728,3208m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1932402,17.1483728,3208m/dat...
      - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
        I am not here for an argument. I don’t believe you have anything useful to contribute here to my query.

by rini17 6y ago

jelliclesfarm 6y ago

We do not have labour. Those who do not actively farm for their living do not understand how serious the labour issue is.. 100 acres is not a ‘garden’. The denial of labour availability as a problem by non farmers and tech sector is why there is no labour automating innovation in Ag. Why isn’t anyone listening to us?

giantg2 6y ago
People are listening. Look at Ag Funder. They invest in agricultural tech. There have been advances in automating aspects of agriculture. Tractors that can drive themselves, irrigation systems based on soil moisture, etc. One of the problems is that small farms are less and less viable since the 80s and have been consolidated under large companies. There's not much incentive to develop solutions to small farm issues when the big farms source labor for a couple cents per pound. Even when the solutions are available, they will price out the small farms.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  Ok. Thanks for your input.
rini17 6y ago
I am not listening to you because you seem to insist on automating 100 acres of land in urban environment. This implies you have to keep out all the people living around, to prevent them from interfering with the automation. That sounds utterly absurd. Why not doing it on large scale (to reap automation scaling advantage) and away from cities (to leave more urban environment for... how to say it... human activity?) Oh, and 100 acres _is_ a community garden. In Europe these are everywhere.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  There are 100 acre community gardens everywhere in Europe? I have lived in Europe. Where exactly is this? Thanks. Of course, we need to keep ‘people out’ of working environments. Large scale Ag benefiting from automation grow commodity crops and not food crops. Next?
  - rini17 6y ago
    What kind of examples do you need? Community gardens don't have much online presence if at all. They can be spot quite easily on sat photos, you can look yourself. Example: [1] Is it foregone conclusion that large scale benefits stop at 100 acres just because it's food crop, not commodity crop? How so? [1] https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1932402,17.1483728,3208m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1932402,17.1483728,3208m/dat...
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      I am not here for an argument. I don’t believe you have anything useful to contribute here to my query.