It can be pretty bad, yes. A primary issue seems to be that conda package authors don't always do their deps right. Pip, on the other hand, often "wins" by no

It can be pretty bad, yes. A primary issue seems to be that conda package authors don't always do their deps right. Pip, on the other hand, often "wins" by not even bothering to notice the versions of low-level libraries, etc. If that doesn't work, you get to keep both pieces.