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The aggressiveness of police does come from fear. That fear comes from training[1]. And it is fear that people they come in contact with will have a gun. The fe

The aggressiveness of police does come from fear. That fear comes from training[1]. And it is fear that people they come in contact with will have a gun. The fear is absurd and not founded in reality. In California it is illegal for a regular non-law enforcement officer to have a gun in public or in the passenger compartment of their vehicle. Open carry, concealed carry, unloaded, doesn't matter, all illegal. Open carry used to be legal in California, but was banned after the Black Panthers used that right to protect black people from police abuses[2]. In the 1960s the National Guard and federal law enforcement were used to protect protesters against the police abuses[3]. Now only the police abusing us are allowed to carry guns, and the National Guard and federal law enforcement are being sent in to help the police abuse us. I think the police need to give up their guns before the public have any more of their gun rights stripped aware. [1] https://medium.com/s/story/fearing-for-our-lives-82ad7eb7d75f https://medium.com/s/story/fearing-for-our-lives-82ad7eb7d75... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches

stuzenz 6y ago
Thanks for the information. Interesting comment on California gun laws. When I was working in IBM Research (a little under 20 years ago) as an Intern I took a trip to Cupertino and one of my bosses had me reach under his passenger seat to show me they had a pistol there. It was the first and only time I have seen a civilian with a pistol. I was somewhat disappointed and sad by it, I assumed he was legally carrying it - obviously that assumption was wrong. I don't think I have ever seen NZ police with a side firearm - the approach has worked here. Our risk in NZ is that the police will become more armed over time.
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  > I was somewhat disappointed and sad by it, I assumed he was legally carrying it - obviously that assumption was wrong. Not necessarily, he could have had a CCW.
  - masonic 6y ago
    Only those with major political connections get CCWs in Santa Clara county, even 20 years ago.
    - agensaequivocum 6y ago
      This is true. However, the parent didn't specify who the person was or where he lived. So while unlikely it is still possible.
      - masonic 6y ago
        It specifically referred to the boss working in Cupertino, CA.
agensaequivocum 6y ago
> Open carry, concealed carry, unloaded, doesn't matter, all illegal. It's way more complicated than that. Unloaded open carry is allowed outside of a municipality and when hunting or fishing. Depending on where you live, a CCW is not exceedingly difficult to obtain and it's valid throughout the whole state. You can have one unloaded without a CCW in the passenger compartment, so long as it is in a locked case not including the glove compartment. Also unloaded open carry was legal until 2012. Edit: Also there is a good chance that one of a number of current court cases will force CA to either make open carry or concealed carry shall issue or unrestricted.

stuzenz 6y ago

Thanks for the information. Interesting comment on California gun laws. When I was working in IBM Research (a little under 20 years ago) as an Intern I took a trip to Cupertino and one of my bosses had me reach under his passenger seat to show me they had a pistol there. It was the first and only time I have seen a civilian with a pistol. I was somewhat disappointed and sad by it, I assumed he was legally carrying it - obviously that assumption was wrong. I don't think I have ever seen NZ police with a side firearm - the approach has worked here. Our risk in NZ is that the police will become more armed over time.

agensaequivocum 6y ago
> I was somewhat disappointed and sad by it, I assumed he was legally carrying it - obviously that assumption was wrong. Not necessarily, he could have had a CCW.
- masonic 6y ago
  Only those with major political connections get CCWs in Santa Clara county, even 20 years ago.
  - agensaequivocum 6y ago
    This is true. However, the parent didn't specify who the person was or where he lived. So while unlikely it is still possible.
    - masonic 6y ago
      It specifically referred to the boss working in Cupertino, CA.

agensaequivocum 6y ago

> Open carry, concealed carry, unloaded, doesn't matter, all illegal. It's way more complicated than that. Unloaded open carry is allowed outside of a municipality and when hunting or fishing. Depending on where you live, a CCW is not exceedingly difficult to obtain and it's valid throughout the whole state. You can have one unloaded without a CCW in the passenger compartment, so long as it is in a locked case not including the glove compartment. Also unloaded open carry was legal until 2012. Edit: Also there is a good chance that one of a number of current court cases will force CA to either make open carry or concealed carry shall issue or unrestricted.