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Comparing apples to apples: Average daily deaths in US caused by heart disease: 1800 Average daily deaths in US caused by cancer: 1600 Average daily d

Comparing apples to apples: Average daily deaths in US caused by heart disease: 1800 Average daily deaths in US caused by cancer: 1600 Average daily deaths in US caused by corona virus: 1000 https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death Comparing oranges to oranges: Total deaths in US caused by homicide (2019): 19510 Total deaths in US caused by police (2019): 1112 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm Comparing apples to oranges: > Total deaths in US caused by police. (2019, full year): 1112 [1] > Total deaths in US caused by coronavirus (last Friday, one day): 975 [2]

billyhoffman 6y ago
I appreciate the numbers you present. I also think it is helpful to put the scale of death from different sources in context. But it’s also helpful to present the causes as well. Your roommate can’t cough on you and give you heart disease.
- orange8 6y ago
  Your roomates smoking can give you cancer. Yours wifes cooking can give you heart disease. Poverty can give you asthma.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_of_poverty#Asthma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_of_poverty#Asthma]
si1entstill 6y ago
I'm with you in that there are other stats which we can compare which may be more similar, but I do feel that the context is still important for those that don't have a real frame of reference for death tolls. "apples to oranges" is very context specific and becomes an argument of semantics quickly. Yes, heart disease kills more people... but is that really pertinent to the discussion of whether or not the protests are worth the risk of the further spread of covid 19?
- orange8 6y ago
  In all fairness, the context of my post is also relevant. I was not responding to pertinent points of the discussion, but to two statistics placed side by side without any further elaboration.
nappy 6y ago
Not apples to apples at all. This is the average daily COVID-19 deaths with extreme restrictions - so imagine comparing this heart disease with large-scale mandatory exercise, or cancer if cigarettes were eliminated entirely.
- orange8 6y ago
  I'm comparing actual stats of natural deaths that have happened, and you are saying it is better to compare hypothetical/imagined stats with the real ones to be more accurate? Should we now also imagine/project the homicide death rates if all civilians were peaceful and happy and compare it with that of the real deaths caused by the police?
  - roenxi 6y ago
    > Should we now also imagine/project the homicide death rates if all civilians were peaceful and happy and compare it with that of the real deaths caused by the police? Almost. We'd need to compare actual homicides to an imaginary world where everyone cooperated with the police while being arrested. The police killing someone is, on the face of it, a significant problem. But some percentage of police-caused deaths are justified and would be acceptable after careful review of what happened. I think everyone would prefer 0 police-related deaths, and all options are on the table to get there. But to compare oranges to oranges properly it would be necessary to split the category into police abuses of power vs unavoidable/reasonable uses of force.
    - orange8 6y ago
      > Almost. What do you mean by almost? Just do it already. Then post all the imaginary/alternative stats here below.
      - roenxi 6y ago
        How? It is impossible. The stats are too unreliable. And that is why an oranges to oranges comparison can't actually be done.
throwawayffffas 6y ago
Comparing pears to pears: Number of adults with diagnosed heart disease: 30.3 million [1] People in the United States infected with corona virus: 1.9 million [2] [1] https://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Health_Statistics/NCHS/NHIS/SHS/2018_SHS_Table_A-1.pdf https://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Health_Statistics/NCHS/NHIS/SHS/2018... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-c...
- orange8 6y ago
  Yes. Corona has a higher mortality rate than heart disease. Those are just the kind of meaningful insights you get when you compare pears to pears, apples to apples or oranges to oranges.
- therealdrag0 6y ago
  What's the pear count for number of police arrests/interactions a year?
divbzero 6y ago
Comparing oranges to tangerines: – Total population of US (2019): 329 million [1] – Total population of UK (2019): 68 million [1] – Total deaths in US caused by police (2019): 1112 – Total deaths in UK caused by police (2019): 3 [2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_populatio... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc...
erezsh 6y ago
> Average daily deaths in US caused by corona virus: 1000 Just wait a couple of weeks... P.S. It might already be higher: https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac8...

billyhoffman 6y ago

I appreciate the numbers you present. I also think it is helpful to put the scale of death from different sources in context. But it’s also helpful to present the causes as well. Your roommate can’t cough on you and give you heart disease.

orange8 6y ago
Your roomates smoking can give you cancer. Yours wifes cooking can give you heart disease. Poverty can give you asthma.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_of_poverty#Asthma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_of_poverty#Asthma]

si1entstill 6y ago

I'm with you in that there are other stats which we can compare which may be more similar, but I do feel that the context is still important for those that don't have a real frame of reference for death tolls. "apples to oranges" is very context specific and becomes an argument of semantics quickly. Yes, heart disease kills more people... but is that really pertinent to the discussion of whether or not the protests are worth the risk of the further spread of covid 19?

orange8 6y ago
In all fairness, the context of my post is also relevant. I was not responding to pertinent points of the discussion, but to two statistics placed side by side without any further elaboration.

nappy 6y ago

Not apples to apples at all. This is the average daily COVID-19 deaths with extreme restrictions - so imagine comparing this heart disease with large-scale mandatory exercise, or cancer if cigarettes were eliminated entirely.

orange8 6y ago
I'm comparing actual stats of natural deaths that have happened, and you are saying it is better to compare hypothetical/imagined stats with the real ones to be more accurate? Should we now also imagine/project the homicide death rates if all civilians were peaceful and happy and compare it with that of the real deaths caused by the police?
- roenxi 6y ago
  > Should we now also imagine/project the homicide death rates if all civilians were peaceful and happy and compare it with that of the real deaths caused by the police? Almost. We'd need to compare actual homicides to an imaginary world where everyone cooperated with the police while being arrested. The police killing someone is, on the face of it, a significant problem. But some percentage of police-caused deaths are justified and would be acceptable after careful review of what happened. I think everyone would prefer 0 police-related deaths, and all options are on the table to get there. But to compare oranges to oranges properly it would be necessary to split the category into police abuses of power vs unavoidable/reasonable uses of force.
  - orange8 6y ago
    > Almost. What do you mean by almost? Just do it already. Then post all the imaginary/alternative stats here below.
    - roenxi 6y ago
      How? It is impossible. The stats are too unreliable. And that is why an oranges to oranges comparison can't actually be done.

throwawayffffas 6y ago

Comparing pears to pears: Number of adults with diagnosed heart disease: 30.3 million [1] People in the United States infected with corona virus: 1.9 million [2] [1] https://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Health_Statistics/NCHS/NHIS/SHS/2018_SHS_Table_A-1.pdf https://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Health_Statistics/NCHS/NHIS/SHS/2018... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-c...

orange8 6y ago
Yes. Corona has a higher mortality rate than heart disease. Those are just the kind of meaningful insights you get when you compare pears to pears, apples to apples or oranges to oranges.
therealdrag0 6y ago
What's the pear count for number of police arrests/interactions a year?

divbzero 6y ago

Comparing oranges to tangerines: – Total population of US (2019): 329 million [1] – Total population of UK (2019): 68 million [1] – Total deaths in US caused by police (2019): 1112 – Total deaths in UK caused by police (2019): 3 [2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_populatio... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc...

erezsh 6y ago

> Average daily deaths in US caused by corona virus: 1000 Just wait a couple of weeks... P.S. It might already be higher: https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac8...