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“ sell guns in supermarkets with next to no checks on who owns them,“ This is false. One has to pass a federal background check and some states have additiona

by jdkee 6y ago

“ sell guns in supermarkets with next to no checks on who owns them,“ This is false. One has to pass a federal background check and some states have additional checks and restrictions as well.

ac29 6y ago
They didnt say no checks, they said next to no checks. There actually are relatively few federal restrictions - effectively anyone who is not a criminal can purchase (most) guns legally [0] (some states are more strict, though). Compared to virtually every other country in the world, that is "next to no checks". Many states have no background checks at all for private sales [1], though that wouldn't apply to purchases from a supermarket. For example, contrast the UK, which in addition to outright banning most firearms such as handguns, requires a "good reason" to issue a firearms permit - and things like self defense are not considered acceptable reasons [2]. [0] https://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html https://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html [1] https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-g... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Licensing_of_firearms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_Uni...
onei 6y ago
1. Sells guns in supermarkets. I searched for "Walmart guns" and got picture of guns on shelves on the Walmart website. I also found articles about panic buying ammunition during lockdown, and calls to reduce the range of guns on sale after various massacres. 2. Next to no checks. I looked at comments challenging my assertion and did a quick bit of research, finding articles such as [1] which suggests there are minimal checks that consume very little time. As far as I can tell, the checks are based on whether you've previously committed crimes which ignores whether you're likely to commit a crime with a gun in the future (such as the 2019 El Paso shooting). More alarmingly, I found suggestions that these checks are optional and performed at the discretion of the seller, although I didn't pursue it further to corroborate the claims. What about the quote was false? [1] https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gun-control-facts https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gun-control-facts

by jdkee 6y ago

“ sell guns in supermarkets with next to no checks on who owns them,“ This is false. One has to pass a federal background check and some states have additional checks and restrictions as well.

ac29 6y ago

They didnt say no checks, they said next to no checks. There actually are relatively few federal restrictions - effectively anyone who is not a criminal can purchase (most) guns legally [0] (some states are more strict, though). Compared to virtually every other country in the world, that is "next to no checks". Many states have no background checks at all for private sales [1], though that wouldn't apply to purchases from a supermarket. For example, contrast the UK, which in addition to outright banning most firearms such as handguns, requires a "good reason" to issue a firearms permit - and things like self defense are not considered acceptable reasons [2]. [0] https://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html https://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html [1] https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html https://consumer.findlaw.com/consumer-transactions/private-g... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Licensing_of_firearms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_Uni...

onei 6y ago

1. Sells guns in supermarkets. I searched for "Walmart guns" and got picture of guns on shelves on the Walmart website. I also found articles about panic buying ammunition during lockdown, and calls to reduce the range of guns on sale after various massacres. 2. Next to no checks. I looked at comments challenging my assertion and did a quick bit of research, finding articles such as [1] which suggests there are minimal checks that consume very little time. As far as I can tell, the checks are based on whether you've previously committed crimes which ignores whether you're likely to commit a crime with a gun in the future (such as the 2019 El Paso shooting). More alarmingly, I found suggestions that these checks are optional and performed at the discretion of the seller, although I didn't pursue it further to corroborate the claims. What about the quote was false? [1] https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gun-control-facts https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/gun-control-facts