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This is not true at all. We are not having thousand deaths per day, but thousand confirmations of death by covid per day, meaning that most of those died in pas

This is not true at all. We are not having thousand deaths per day, but thousand confirmations of death by covid per day, meaning that most of those died in past days.

ufo 6y ago
No matter how you cut it, we are getting thousands of deaths per day. The problem is that the government wants to change the published statistics to only show the people who died of confirmed COVID infection in the same day as the report has come out. Most deaths take a couple of days to be added to the system so this methodology would significantly under report the real number of deaths per day.
- sizeofchar 6y ago
  I see contradiction between your two paragraphs. First, there is no cut to thousand deaths per day. But then, the government is able to do it?
  - ufo 6y ago
    "No matterhow you cut it" is an english expression. It means that no matter the choice of statistics the deaths per day in brazil are very high. One way to report the numbers is say how many deaths were registered into the system each day. This is the "freshest" statistic you can get, but it mixes data from different days. This statistic can't be used to plot a pandemic growth curve but it can be used to keep track of the total number of deaths. Another way to measure it is so count the number of people that died on each given day, no matter how long it took for the death was registered into the system. This statistic is different from the first one but but it should be in the same order of magnitude (given that the first statistic is approximately a rolling average of the second one) The key limitation of the second statistic exact number can only be known after at least a week has passed, because of the time it takes for the deaths to be added into the system. This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely.
    - sizeofchar 6y ago
      Thanks for clarifying, but that was exactly my point. > This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely. I don't think this will be happening. I am sure they will keep counting daily deaths correctly, adding numbers to past days, and making it publicly available. They just will stop feeding the media trolls. What we were having in fact was dishonesty from the media, claiming falsely that thousands of people died from covid-19 within 24 hours. They weren't making it clear that those deaths mostly happened in the last 45 days, so to create extreme reaction from its audience.
      - piva00 6y ago
        > They just will stop feeding the media trolls. What media trolls? I don't live in Brazil anymore but all of my family is still there. I want reliable numbers so I know what is happening, right now I'm left in the dark and having to pierce together data from multiple sources to get any kind of picture about daily death rates, velocity of spread, etc. "Feeding the media trolls" or not should not be into consideration when a pandemic is ongoing and the public and your citizens need the information to have any kind of sense about the situation, I'm left in the dark, scared with two parents fitting perfectly into CoViD-19 risk group. There is no defence to this behaviour, there is nothing that justifies hiding numbers from your population.

This is not true at all. We are not having thousand deaths per day, but thousand confirmations of death by covid per day, meaning that most of those died in past days.

ufo 6y ago

No matter how you cut it, we are getting thousands of deaths per day. The problem is that the government wants to change the published statistics to only show the people who died of confirmed COVID infection in the same day as the report has come out. Most deaths take a couple of days to be added to the system so this methodology would significantly under report the real number of deaths per day.

sizeofchar 6y ago
I see contradiction between your two paragraphs. First, there is no cut to thousand deaths per day. But then, the government is able to do it?
- ufo 6y ago
  "No matterhow you cut it" is an english expression. It means that no matter the choice of statistics the deaths per day in brazil are very high. One way to report the numbers is say how many deaths were registered into the system each day. This is the "freshest" statistic you can get, but it mixes data from different days. This statistic can't be used to plot a pandemic growth curve but it can be used to keep track of the total number of deaths. Another way to measure it is so count the number of people that died on each given day, no matter how long it took for the death was registered into the system. This statistic is different from the first one but but it should be in the same order of magnitude (given that the first statistic is approximately a rolling average of the second one) The key limitation of the second statistic exact number can only be known after at least a week has passed, because of the time it takes for the deaths to be added into the system. This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely.
  - sizeofchar 6y ago
    Thanks for clarifying, but that was exactly my point. > This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely. I don't think this will be happening. I am sure they will keep counting daily deaths correctly, adding numbers to past days, and making it publicly available. They just will stop feeding the media trolls. What we were having in fact was dishonesty from the media, claiming falsely that thousands of people died from covid-19 within 24 hours. They weren't making it clear that those deaths mostly happened in the last 45 days, so to create extreme reaction from its audience.
    - piva00 6y ago
      > They just will stop feeding the media trolls. What media trolls? I don't live in Brazil anymore but all of my family is still there. I want reliable numbers so I know what is happening, right now I'm left in the dark and having to pierce together data from multiple sources to get any kind of picture about daily death rates, velocity of spread, etc. "Feeding the media trolls" or not should not be into consideration when a pandemic is ongoing and the public and your citizens need the information to have any kind of sense about the situation, I'm left in the dark, scared with two parents fitting perfectly into CoViD-19 risk group. There is no defence to this behaviour, there is nothing that justifies hiding numbers from your population.