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I do. They basically stopped updating the database. We were getting 1000+ deaths/day. They say they're going to "recount" because they don't trust the numbers a

I do. They basically stopped updating the database. We were getting 1000+ deaths/day. They say they're going to "recount" because they don't trust the numbers are right. Everyone here knows it's just a political move.

turrini 6y ago
Sorry but this is incorrect. The numbers are being updated once a day at 10 pm. And yes, the actual and previous numbers are under investigation by the Federal Police.
- spyremeown 6y ago
  Dude, look at the graph on the given link above. Deaths literally went from 1000+ to 61 yesterday. Also, in the main panel [1] the gov. quit updating the total death count and does not let you download the .csv like they did before, but still keep the total death count for the day. [1] https://covid.saude.gov.br/ https://covid.saude.gov.br/
  - turrini 6y ago
    That's a dashboard, read the about section that explains it. Here is the CSV: https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXajurGB7LChj8SgQYS2ptm/c6949e9ad47392ef2a7307641cc014a0_HIST_PAINEL_COVIDBR_05jun2020.xlsx https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXa...
sizeofchar 6y ago
This is not true at all. We are not having thousand deaths per day, but thousand confirmations of death by covid per day, meaning that most of those died in past days.
- ufo 6y ago
  No matter how you cut it, we are getting thousands of deaths per day. The problem is that the government wants to change the published statistics to only show the people who died of confirmed COVID infection in the same day as the report has come out. Most deaths take a couple of days to be added to the system so this methodology would significantly under report the real number of deaths per day.
  - sizeofchar 6y ago
    I see contradiction between your two paragraphs. First, there is no cut to thousand deaths per day. But then, the government is able to do it?
    - ufo 6y ago
      "No matterhow you cut it" is an english expression. It means that no matter the choice of statistics the deaths per day in brazil are very high. One way to report the numbers is say how many deaths were registered into the system each day. This is the "freshest" statistic you can get, but it mixes data from different days. This statistic can't be used to plot a pandemic growth curve but it can be used to keep track of the total number of deaths. Another way to measure it is so count the number of people that died on each given day, no matter how long it took for the death was registered into the system. This statistic is different from the first one but but it should be in the same order of magnitude (given that the first statistic is approximately a rolling average of the second one) The key limitation of the second statistic exact number can only be known after at least a week has passed, because of the time it takes for the deaths to be added into the system. This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely.
      - sizeofchar 6y ago
        Thanks for clarifying, but that was exactly my point. > This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely. I don't think this will be happening. I am sure they will keep counting daily deaths correctly, adding numbers to past days, and making it publicly available. They just will stop feeding the media trolls. What we were having in fact was dishonesty from the media, claiming falsely that thousands of people died from covid-19 within 24 hours. They weren't making it clear that those deaths mostly happened in the last 45 days, so to create extreme reaction from its audience.

turrini 6y ago

Sorry but this is incorrect. The numbers are being updated once a day at 10 pm. And yes, the actual and previous numbers are under investigation by the Federal Police.

spyremeown 6y ago
Dude, look at the graph on the given link above. Deaths literally went from 1000+ to 61 yesterday. Also, in the main panel [1] the gov. quit updating the total death count and does not let you download the .csv like they did before, but still keep the total death count for the day. [1] https://covid.saude.gov.br/ https://covid.saude.gov.br/
- turrini 6y ago
  That's a dashboard, read the about section that explains it. Here is the CSV: https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXajurGB7LChj8SgQYS2ptm/c6949e9ad47392ef2a7307641cc014a0_HIST_PAINEL_COVIDBR_05jun2020.xlsx https://mobileapps.saude.gov.br/esus-vepi/files/unAFkcaNDeXa...

sizeofchar 6y ago

This is not true at all. We are not having thousand deaths per day, but thousand confirmations of death by covid per day, meaning that most of those died in past days.

ufo 6y ago
No matter how you cut it, we are getting thousands of deaths per day. The problem is that the government wants to change the published statistics to only show the people who died of confirmed COVID infection in the same day as the report has come out. Most deaths take a couple of days to be added to the system so this methodology would significantly under report the real number of deaths per day.
- sizeofchar 6y ago
  I see contradiction between your two paragraphs. First, there is no cut to thousand deaths per day. But then, the government is able to do it?
  - ufo 6y ago
    "No matterhow you cut it" is an english expression. It means that no matter the choice of statistics the deaths per day in brazil are very high. One way to report the numbers is say how many deaths were registered into the system each day. This is the "freshest" statistic you can get, but it mixes data from different days. This statistic can't be used to plot a pandemic growth curve but it can be used to keep track of the total number of deaths. Another way to measure it is so count the number of people that died on each given day, no matter how long it took for the death was registered into the system. This statistic is different from the first one but but it should be in the same order of magnitude (given that the first statistic is approximately a rolling average of the second one) The key limitation of the second statistic exact number can only be known after at least a week has passed, because of the time it takes for the deaths to be added into the system. This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely.
    - sizeofchar 6y ago
      Thanks for clarifying, but that was exactly my point. > This is where the government's dishonesty comes in. They wanted to change the daily reports so that they would only include deaths that were added to the system in the same day where the person died. Any deaths that were not reported in the same day (which is the majority of deaths) would be left out of the statistics entirely. I don't think this will be happening. I am sure they will keep counting daily deaths correctly, adding numbers to past days, and making it publicly available. They just will stop feeding the media trolls. What we were having in fact was dishonesty from the media, claiming falsely that thousands of people died from covid-19 within 24 hours. They weren't making it clear that those deaths mostly happened in the last 45 days, so to create extreme reaction from its audience.