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>has 24 times as many people die as China has This is predicated on the CCP numbers being accurate, which according to multiple intelligence sources is false.

by 0xy 6y ago

>has 24 times as many people die as China has This is predicated on the CCP numbers being accurate, which according to multiple intelligence sources is false. [1] They also made systematic attempts to withhold information from the WHO. [2] [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-con... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/02/china-withheld-data-coronavirus-world-health-organization-recordings-reveal https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/02/china-withheld...

mlthoughts2018 6y ago
This getting downvotes makes me question the authenticity of the comments above it.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Word. I'm getting pissed off at even verifiable facts getting smacked down because someone doesn't like it.
- Taniwha 6y ago
  I made the comment above it - I am a real person FWIW I got my numbers by googling "worldwide covid numbers by country" and picked the first entry https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I got population numbers by googling "us population" and "china population" Feel free to repeat my experiment - people are still dying, all these numbers will change
  - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
    In that case it would appear the numbers used for your comments are very susceptible to the widely reported attempts by China to manipulate what is externally reported.
    - Taniwha 6y ago
      If China had deaths on the same per-capita as the US has had so far they would have had almost half a million - do you really think they are hiding that many?
      - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
        Given the way the country tries to control so much, I don't think it's possible to answer that question either way. tl;dr IDK.
      - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
        It doesn’t matter what I think, this is a widely reported possibility with recent articles from both the Times and the Guardian. Serious reporters at least believe there’s evidence of interference and possible data manipulation by China. Basically the only thing we can conclude is that the numbers from China are suspect & not comparable with those reported by western nations until more investigation is done. Maybe it will turn out China was right all along, we just don’t have reason to think that right now.
scarmig 6y ago
I wouldn't put too much stock in their exact numbers, but it's not realistic to think that China has had 24 or 12 or even 6 times as many deaths as publicly reported, let alone on a per capita basis.
- ac29 6y ago
  China has 18.7% of the world's population and 0.00018% of the current coronavirus cases [0], if you believe their reported numbers. So yes, I'm willing to believe there are vastly more deaths than reported as well. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
- 0xy 6y ago
  Why is it not realistic? The CCP numbers are essentially propaganda and have no basis in reality. The CCP claims ~4,600 deaths, while there are reports like 5,000 urns being delivered to a single mortuary in Wuhan alone (Wuhan has at least eight mortuaries). According to some reports 40,000 urns were distributed in the span of just 10 days. That's one city!

by 0xy 6y ago

mlthoughts2018 6y ago

This getting downvotes makes me question the authenticity of the comments above it.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Word. I'm getting pissed off at even verifiable facts getting smacked down because someone doesn't like it.
Taniwha 6y ago
I made the comment above it - I am a real person FWIW I got my numbers by googling "worldwide covid numbers by country" and picked the first entry https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I got population numbers by googling "us population" and "china population" Feel free to repeat my experiment - people are still dying, all these numbers will change
- mlthoughts2018 6y ago
  In that case it would appear the numbers used for your comments are very susceptible to the widely reported attempts by China to manipulate what is externally reported.
  - Taniwha 6y ago
    If China had deaths on the same per-capita as the US has had so far they would have had almost half a million - do you really think they are hiding that many?
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      Given the way the country tries to control so much, I don't think it's possible to answer that question either way. tl;dr IDK.
    - mlthoughts2018 6y ago
      It doesn’t matter what I think, this is a widely reported possibility with recent articles from both the Times and the Guardian. Serious reporters at least believe there’s evidence of interference and possible data manipulation by China. Basically the only thing we can conclude is that the numbers from China are suspect & not comparable with those reported by western nations until more investigation is done. Maybe it will turn out China was right all along, we just don’t have reason to think that right now.

scarmig 6y ago

I wouldn't put too much stock in their exact numbers, but it's not realistic to think that China has had 24 or 12 or even 6 times as many deaths as publicly reported, let alone on a per capita basis.

ac29 6y ago
China has 18.7% of the world's population and 0.00018% of the current coronavirus cases [0], if you believe their reported numbers. So yes, I'm willing to believe there are vastly more deaths than reported as well. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
0xy 6y ago
Why is it not realistic? The CCP numbers are essentially propaganda and have no basis in reality. The CCP claims ~4,600 deaths, while there are reports like 5,000 urns being delivered to a single mortuary in Wuhan alone (Wuhan has at least eight mortuaries). According to some reports 40,000 urns were distributed in the span of just 10 days. That's one city!