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A nation which allows itself to be willingly ruled by war criminals is, first and foremost, a victim of its own cowardice. The American People will never be sa

A nation which allows itself to be willingly ruled by war criminals is, first and foremost, a victim of its own cowardice. The American People will never be safe until they properly prosecute their war criminals. American policing organisations are riddled with very real war criminals calling the shots. Don't be so surprised that what these people did to Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Yemen, they will do to the American people.

loopz 6y ago
They will not do that, until leadership targets their own population and successfully ousts all principles and caring.
readarticle 6y ago
The 18000 law enforcement agencies in the US are overwhelmingly controlled at the local and state levels. While a simplistic “get rid of the war criminals at the top” would be a nice solution, the reality of the problem is far scarier and more distributed than that.
- fit2rule 6y ago
  The same policies and culture that allow Americans to demolish, with impunity, countless other sovereign states while proclaiming their own moral authority, are what's at stake here in the streets today. America has been kneeling on the neck of countless other nations, which also lost their breath, for decades. A nation which callously disregards these crimes, will eventually fall victim to the same mechanics, itself. America is ruled by a death cult which believes only in its own superiority over all other nations on Earth. Until this changes, the American people are as safe as anyone else this very real death cult puts in its sights, which is to say: not safe at all.
  - readarticle 6y ago
    My local police department is “ruled” by a city council composed of lawyers and real estate agents.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      And I'm sure none of them served in one of America's illegal wars, where crimes against humanity were written off with impunity multiple times.
  - lizzard 6y ago
    Chickens coming home to roost.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    For those who might not be aware, the Military is run in a very cult-like manner. The core of any cult is ritual (habit / repetition), in-group language, in-group symbolism, in-group socializing, etc. The brainwashing actually begins outside of the military for most people at a very young age, with the daily pledging of blind allegiance to a flag. Another obvious death cult is the Skull and Bones society. These people have sayings like "might makes right" and "always ahead of the pack". They are like Hydra from the Marvel movies - their members have infiltrated every place of power and they use their positions to pull off things like 9/11. A number of US Presidents and presidential candidates have also been members of this group.
- basilgohar 6y ago
  I believe the grandparent post is referring to the fact that the domestic police organizations are more-and-more frequently being populated by veterans of the US military.
  - readarticle 6y ago
    LE culture of leadership is almost totally based on seniority from what I understand, the veterans of the recent wars aren’t old enough to be in positions of control. This also doesn’t jive with the commonly held idea of armed forces members having higher standards for ROE and better training than LEOs, and introduces a pretty murky version of “war criminal”, as opposed to the usual Kissinger’s and Bush’s.
    - basilgohar 6y ago
      Both of your posts in this thread explicitly call out leadership, but I didn't read the original comment as talking only about leadership. I think this may be the disconnect in this thread.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      The culture of America's law enforcement is derived from the actions of its military heroes. American LE and American military are intertwined, and the policies which are derived in one arena and moved to another have been for decades a mainstay of the means by which America's military industrial pharmaceutical complex maintains an iron grip on the nations martial resources. Until the American people avail themselves of the truth regarding their leaders involvement in committing crimes against humanity with impunity, the American people will themselves be subject to the very same criminals' policies. What happened to Mosul can happen to Baltimore. The very same mechanics of discrimination and hatred are at play.
pjc50 6y ago
Even the ones that were prosecuted have sometimes been pardoned: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallag...
- fit2rule 6y ago
  Today Americans feel the boot they themselves have been pressing into the necks of others for decades. This is why the American people, if they are to turn things around and create a just society, must continue to demand justice for their own very real war criminals all the way to the top. As long as Obama and Clinton and Bush(es) and now Trump are free to continue to propagate their death cult policies, there will not be justice in America, for Americans - or around the world, for anyone. Americans must understand: as a nation, they have been kneeling on the necks of others for decades, and the American People are themselves complicit in the act. Until there is real justice for this magnitude of criminal behaviour, the streets will not be safe for anyone deemed 'inferior' by the death cult.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Today Americans feel the boot they themselves have been pressing into the necks of others for decades The Americans who are feeling the boot now are largely the same ones that have been feeling the boot since before the US had status as a major power, uniformed police forces, or even independence. They've gotten more sympathy from other Americans recently than they had centuries ago, which makes the anger about it more widespread, but it is certainly not a reversal where the people directing the US’s comparatively brief (even if you go back to the Monroe Doctrine) colonial empire and now feeling the boot of oppression in some kind of karmic balance. To the extent there is a relation to any American war crimes of the last couple decades, you've got the direction of influence exactly reversed. The deep, ingrained racism and tolerance for domestic injustice in the US is the root from which the overseas abuses grows, not the other way around.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      If American martial culture had not operated with such impunity in foreign theatres, it would not have made the mistake of thinking it can apply the same policies within its own borders. Complacency and complicity brought us to where we are today. And what America feels in the last week is a form of karmic retribution for all the suffocating that the American people have, themselves, supported over the last few decades. The victims may speak a vastly different language, but the policies that led to the boot on the neck are one and the same.
dirtydroog 6y ago
War criminals?
nabla9 6y ago
What you say is true, but as far as I know nobody does it unless forced from outside. Instead of American people, this is just basic humanity. We become peaceful trough institutions, gradual development of norms etc. All this is breaking all over the world. In EU Europe Hungary and Poland are getting away from liberal democracy.

loopz 6y ago

They will not do that, until leadership targets their own population and successfully ousts all principles and caring.

readarticle 6y ago

The 18000 law enforcement agencies in the US are overwhelmingly controlled at the local and state levels. While a simplistic “get rid of the war criminals at the top” would be a nice solution, the reality of the problem is far scarier and more distributed than that.

fit2rule 6y ago
The same policies and culture that allow Americans to demolish, with impunity, countless other sovereign states while proclaiming their own moral authority, are what's at stake here in the streets today. America has been kneeling on the neck of countless other nations, which also lost their breath, for decades. A nation which callously disregards these crimes, will eventually fall victim to the same mechanics, itself. America is ruled by a death cult which believes only in its own superiority over all other nations on Earth. Until this changes, the American people are as safe as anyone else this very real death cult puts in its sights, which is to say: not safe at all.
- readarticle 6y ago
  My local police department is “ruled” by a city council composed of lawyers and real estate agents.
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    And I'm sure none of them served in one of America's illegal wars, where crimes against humanity were written off with impunity multiple times.
- lizzard 6y ago
  Chickens coming home to roost.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  For those who might not be aware, the Military is run in a very cult-like manner. The core of any cult is ritual (habit / repetition), in-group language, in-group symbolism, in-group socializing, etc. The brainwashing actually begins outside of the military for most people at a very young age, with the daily pledging of blind allegiance to a flag. Another obvious death cult is the Skull and Bones society. These people have sayings like "might makes right" and "always ahead of the pack". They are like Hydra from the Marvel movies - their members have infiltrated every place of power and they use their positions to pull off things like 9/11. A number of US Presidents and presidential candidates have also been members of this group.
basilgohar 6y ago
I believe the grandparent post is referring to the fact that the domestic police organizations are more-and-more frequently being populated by veterans of the US military.
- readarticle 6y ago
  LE culture of leadership is almost totally based on seniority from what I understand, the veterans of the recent wars aren’t old enough to be in positions of control. This also doesn’t jive with the commonly held idea of armed forces members having higher standards for ROE and better training than LEOs, and introduces a pretty murky version of “war criminal”, as opposed to the usual Kissinger’s and Bush’s.
  - basilgohar 6y ago
    Both of your posts in this thread explicitly call out leadership, but I didn't read the original comment as talking only about leadership. I think this may be the disconnect in this thread.
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    The culture of America's law enforcement is derived from the actions of its military heroes. American LE and American military are intertwined, and the policies which are derived in one arena and moved to another have been for decades a mainstay of the means by which America's military industrial pharmaceutical complex maintains an iron grip on the nations martial resources. Until the American people avail themselves of the truth regarding their leaders involvement in committing crimes against humanity with impunity, the American people will themselves be subject to the very same criminals' policies. What happened to Mosul can happen to Baltimore. The very same mechanics of discrimination and hatred are at play.

pjc50 6y ago

Even the ones that were prosecuted have sometimes been pardoned: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallag...

fit2rule 6y ago
Today Americans feel the boot they themselves have been pressing into the necks of others for decades. This is why the American people, if they are to turn things around and create a just society, must continue to demand justice for their own very real war criminals all the way to the top. As long as Obama and Clinton and Bush(es) and now Trump are free to continue to propagate their death cult policies, there will not be justice in America, for Americans - or around the world, for anyone. Americans must understand: as a nation, they have been kneeling on the necks of others for decades, and the American People are themselves complicit in the act. Until there is real justice for this magnitude of criminal behaviour, the streets will not be safe for anyone deemed 'inferior' by the death cult.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Today Americans feel the boot they themselves have been pressing into the necks of others for decades The Americans who are feeling the boot now are largely the same ones that have been feeling the boot since before the US had status as a major power, uniformed police forces, or even independence. They've gotten more sympathy from other Americans recently than they had centuries ago, which makes the anger about it more widespread, but it is certainly not a reversal where the people directing the US’s comparatively brief (even if you go back to the Monroe Doctrine) colonial empire and now feeling the boot of oppression in some kind of karmic balance. To the extent there is a relation to any American war crimes of the last couple decades, you've got the direction of influence exactly reversed. The deep, ingrained racism and tolerance for domestic injustice in the US is the root from which the overseas abuses grows, not the other way around.
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    If American martial culture had not operated with such impunity in foreign theatres, it would not have made the mistake of thinking it can apply the same policies within its own borders. Complacency and complicity brought us to where we are today. And what America feels in the last week is a form of karmic retribution for all the suffocating that the American people have, themselves, supported over the last few decades. The victims may speak a vastly different language, but the policies that led to the boot on the neck are one and the same.

dirtydroog 6y ago

War criminals?

nabla9 6y ago

What you say is true, but as far as I know nobody does it unless forced from outside. Instead of American people, this is just basic humanity. We become peaceful trough institutions, gradual development of norms etc. All this is breaking all over the world. In EU Europe Hungary and Poland are getting away from liberal democracy.