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>"Well, maybe we don't need to choose just one definition. Could we mix them? Could we let Electricity be an "elastic term?" Suppose we ignore all these contrad
by peter_d_sherman 6y ago
>"Well, maybe we don't need to choose just one definition. Could we mix them? Could we let Electricity be an "elastic term?" Suppose we ignore all these contradictions and instead pretend that all of the above definitions are true. Below is the "clear" and "simple" description of electricity which results:
Electricity is quite simple: "electricity" is just the flowing motion of electricity! Electricity is a mysterious incomprehensible entity which is invisible and visible, both at the same time. Also, electricity is both a form of energy and a type of matter. Both. Electricity is a kind of low-frequency radio wave which is made of protons. It's a mysterious force which cannot be seen, and yet it looks like blue-white fire that arcs across the clouds. It moves forward at the speed of light... yet it sits and vibrates inside your AC cord without flowing forwards at all. It's totally weightless, yet it has a small weight. When electricity flows through a light bulb's filament, it gets changed entirely into light. Yet not one bit of electricity is ever used up by the light bulb, and all the electricity flows out of the filament and back down the other wire. College textbooks are full of electricity, yet they have no electric charge! Electricity is like sound waves, no no, it's just like wind, no, the electricity is like the air molecules. Electricity is like cars on a highway, no, the electricity is the speed of the cars, no, electricity is just like "traffic waves." Electricity is a class of phenomena ...a class of phenomena which can be stored in batteries! If you want to measure a quantity of electricity, what units should you use? Why Volts of electricity, of course. And also Coulombs of electricity. And Amperes of electricity. Watts of electricity and Joules, all at the same time. Yet "electricity" is definitely a class of phenomena; merely a type of event. Since we can't have an amount of an event, we can't really measure the quantity of electricity at all... right? Right?
Heh heh.
Does my description above sound stupid and impossible? You're right. It is. The word "electricity" has contradictory meanings, and I'm trying to show what happens when we accept more than one meaning. Electricity is not both slow and fast at the same time. It is not both visible and invisible. And electricity isn't the flowing motion ...of electricity.
Instead, approximately ten separate things have the name "electricity."
PDS: Observation: You could say that there are little pixies, little faeries dancing in the wires, instead of electrons, volts or amps, and if you did so, the electricity could still work, and no one would be any wiser...
What Science has done, up until now, is that they have named different aspects, different attributes of electricity, and they have mathematically defined the relationship of many but not all possibilities of these attributes under many but not all possible circumstances...
What Science has not done, to date, however, is clearly explained what electricity actually is.
In other words, we don't have a microscope such that we can "see" electricity and precisely what's going on at the atomic level (or whichever levels of scale that electricity takes place at), that is, we cannot see the exact CAUSE, we can only use measuring devices to measure EFFECTS.
Everything in our Science, to date, is about the EFFECTS generated by electricity. But we are not one step closer to understanding it's TRUE CAUSE.
The idea that because a chemical reaction generates electricity, or a magnet moving across a wire (or wire moving across a magent) we understand it to be the CAUSE of electricity -- is not true.
That's because in order to get closer to understanding the CAUSE of electricity, we have to understand what every way of generating electricity -- has in common with every other way... Do we really understand that? Someone care to take a crack at explaining how a chemical reaction which generates electricity is like moving a magnet across a wire? And what do those two things have in common with charging a capacitor via a Van De Graaff generator?
They all generate "electrons"?
No!
The Van De Graaff generator generates electricity via friction, the wire via induced current, and the chemical reaction, how is that in any way similar to the other two?
You see, we have a lot to learn, if we're willing to remove this arbitrary all-too-convenient explanation word called the "electron" -- which serves as a place at which all reasoning stops...
The word "electron" in today's science is like "God" in yesterday's religions:
Question (to a priest of yesteryear): "So if God exists then who or what created God?"
Priest: "I'm sorry, God is presumed to self-exist, and presumed to be the ultimate authority, so we don't question that any further..."
Question (To a scientist of today): "OK, so if electrons exist and are the cause of electricity, then what are they, and how are they created?
Physicist: "I'm sorry, electrons are presumed to self-exist, presumed to be the cause of all electricity, beyond that, we don't question them or that they exist..."
But what if all of these electrons, which everyone claims exist... really do not exist?
We could call 'electrons' by other names: little pixies, little faeries, very small "magical elves" dancing in the wires, and it wouldn't change the EFFECTS of the electricity or the electrical circuit, but it wouldn't get us one step closer to a really deep understanding of what is really going on "down there", the true CAUSE...
- IAmGraydon 6y agoI’m going to have to recommend that you remove any and all stimulants from your diet.
- vzxccxzxcvzx 6y ago> Electricity is a mysterious incomprehensible entity which is invisible and visible, both at the same time. Hmm, that doesn't sound simple to me at all.
- dghf 6y ago> Question (To a scientist of today): "OK, so if electrons exist and are the cause of electricity, then what are they, and how are they created? > Physicist: "I'm sorry, electrons are presumed to self-exist, presumed to be the cause of all electricity, beyond that, we don't question them or that they exist..." But that's not a fair representation of the scientific position, is it? Don't cosmologists theorise about how elementary particles came to be, not least to try to explain why there's more matter (including electrons) than anti-matter?
- peter_d_sherman 6y ago>But that's not a fair representation of the scientific position, is it? Don't cosmologists theorise about how elementary particles came to be, not least to try to explain why there's more matter (including electrons) than anti-matter? First off, all Physicists are good people! Let's get that out of the way first. I'm not trying to say anything bad about them (I like Physicists and we wouldn't have the inventions that make the 20th and 21st Centuries the 20th and 21st Centuries -- without them! So a huge debt of gratitude is owed to the Physics community!). But you see, what I'm saying is this: We could call an 'electron' by any number of a thousand other names, some simpler 'unit of electricity', some more far-fetched 'unit of electrostatic pressure/density/force/change, etc.' and some utterly ridiculous 'pixies', 'faeries', 'little elves', etc. -- and all of our electrical circuits and electronic devices WILL STILL WORK, regardless of the name we use around it! 'Electrons' in the academic subject of Physics -- are not unlike 'Widgets' in Economics! What is a 'widget' you may ask? Widgets do not exist! But they do exist conceptually, because they serve to act as a convenient placeholder for relations to other economic concepts, and inside the scope (again as a placeholder) in economic equations! You might compare these concepts to the variable 'X' in Mathematics. What is X? Well, X typically serves as a placeholder for the answer to the equation in question if it is placed on the left hand side of the equation! But does X have any meaning outside of being a placeholder for whatever equation is being discussed in the current moment? NO!!! It does not! It is merely a placeholder. You see? Well, that's what an electron is to electricity! It's a placeholder for something else, some as-of-yet not-yet-well-explained, not-yet-understood phenomena. And that's what we're trying to understand... what phenomenon or phenomena -- is 'electron' a placeholder for, exactly, and at all affected scales, from large to sub-atomic? What exactly is going on down there? We tell various stories, stories like "well, one atom borrows an electron from another atom". Like a neighbor asking for a cup of sugar: "Can I borrow a cup of sugar from you?". "Sure, here one is!" Such stories are fine and dandy... but where's the proof? Now, to answer the second part of your question... Yes, Cosmologists (also good people!) (and others) theorise about how elementary particles came to be, but there's a few problems here: 1) Elementary particles may not be electrons, nor electrons elementary particles. And either of those might not be related to electricity. 2) Proofs that require "turtles upon turtles" hypothesis (e.g., particles, sub-particles, quarks, leptons, etc.) must at least have some connection to the real world at some level, and ideally, if we want a rigorous proof, we want some way of observing every step in the chain. A theoretical paper based on another theoretical paper based on another theoretical paper -- is not a proof. It might turn out to be ultimately correct, but if any part of the chain of predictions is not directly observable, then that theory is still a theory... All I'm asking any open-minded Scientist, Physicist, Cosmologist to do is ask the following question, which is: IF ELECTRONS DO NOT EXIST, THEN WHAT ALTERNATIVES EXIST THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN ELECTRONS AND ELECTRON-LIKE PHENOMENA? In other words, stop treating 'electrons' as the placeholder where everything is assumed, and all scientific reasoning stops... I think that's a fair position. I apologize (profusely!) if I have mischaracterized the thought process of any person or group in an offensive manner, but understand, it was the only way I could show a thought pattern, a way of thinking (which is not everyone mind you!), in the limited space provided, without a larger and lengthier philosophical discussion...