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> However, Eich is very sorry that Brave got caught — again — and something will be changed in some manner to stop this behaviour, or at least obscure it. No s

> However, Eich is very sorry that Brave got caught — again — and something will be changed in some manner to stop this behaviour, or at least obscure it. No surprise there. > There is no good reason to use Brave. Use Chromium — the open-source core of Chrome — with the uBlock Origin ad blocker [...] or use Firefox with uBlock Origin — ‘cos it blocks more ads than the Chromium framework will let anything block. Is this true? I assumed the functionality would be the same.

davidgerard 6y ago
Nope! I routinely run Firefox and Chromium, both with uBO on default settings - and Google results on Chromium always have three ad-link results inserted at the top, lazy late-loading via JavaScript. Google know what they're doing there.
- drannex 6y ago
  You need to install some filters then! I have all the top featured ones installed and haven't seen a single advertisement on Google (which I only use <20% of the time, DDG gets the rest).
GraemeL 6y ago
The Firefox version has the ability to block third party scripts masked as first party ones through the use of CNAMEs. Chrome doesn't expose APIs to let extensions do it.
- close04 6y ago
  Also this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20050173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20050173 > The blocking ability of the webRequest API is still deprecated, and Google Chrome's limited matching algorithm will be the only one possible, and with limits dictated by Google employees. Firefox + uBO + uMatrix will block everything you can reasonably block without making your internet life miserable in the other extreme (although uMatrix can be a pain sometimes).
  - arminiusreturns 6y ago
    While uMatrix may be a bit of a pain, once you have your basic rulset and whitelists setup it functions very well, and beyond that, it really helps you understand what makes the modern web so shitty, and helps you know which sites are part of that and which aren't, which I think is pretty invaluable. Like many things, it may take more upfront investment but it's worth it imho. If I could force every webdev to browse their site with a fresh uMatrix install I would.
    - davidgerard 6y ago
      I was most amused when he used my site as his test example in the uMatrix manual. https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki/How-to-create-rules-which-apply-everywhere,-on-all-web-sites https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki/How-to-create-rules-...
stonogo 6y ago
Despite repeated requests, Chrome and Chromium still misclassify certain requests in order to hide them from content filters. Here is one example: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=611453 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=611453
- gruez 6y ago
  I don't get it. The ticket wants beacons/pings to be classified as the same request type as xhr, and it's marked as WONTFIX. Isn't this a good thing?
  - stonogo 6y ago
    whether they get lumped in with xhr or with 'other' is immaterial; the problem is the chromium developers refuse to have a 'ping' type like other browser engines do.
molticrystal 6y ago
How is the android scene for Chromium based browsers that either have extension support or adblockers? I am aware only of Yandex & Kiwi as Chromium browsers that support extensions that allow you to install an adblocker. So perhaps Brave is trying to integrate itself there somehow by having it built in. Anybody know a better breakdown than this for mobile browser market share? https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/worldwide#monthly-201905-202005-bar https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/world... It says Chromium is 61% and Yandex is 0.1% but it would be nice to see if Brave was included or not.
- aasasd 6y ago
  Yandex is the company whose sites actively fight ad-blocking more than anyone else of whom I know. Afaik Yandex is just not in the uBO lists anymore, because it was no use changing the filters again and again. So I guess Yandex might allow installing filters which can't catch it anyway, but I wonder if it won't cripple the extension somehow for good measure.
  - Markoff 6y ago
    their browser doesn't affect functionality of ublock, but it's not good browser anyway, trying to show down your throat many intrusive features by default
- SahAssar 6y ago
  Why is firefox on android not an option for you?
- dbeley 6y ago
  Try Firefox Preview
- kagenouta 6y ago
  Brave and a couple of others are actually getting extension support in the near term because Kiwi recently went FOSS.
- chewz 6y ago

davidgerard 6y ago

Nope! I routinely run Firefox and Chromium, both with uBO on default settings - and Google results on Chromium always have three ad-link results inserted at the top, lazy late-loading via JavaScript. Google know what they're doing there.

drannex 6y ago
You need to install some filters then! I have all the top featured ones installed and haven't seen a single advertisement on Google (which I only use <20% of the time, DDG gets the rest).

GraemeL 6y ago

The Firefox version has the ability to block third party scripts masked as first party ones through the use of CNAMEs. Chrome doesn't expose APIs to let extensions do it.

close04 6y ago
Also this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20050173 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20050173 > The blocking ability of the webRequest API is still deprecated, and Google Chrome's limited matching algorithm will be the only one possible, and with limits dictated by Google employees. Firefox + uBO + uMatrix will block everything you can reasonably block without making your internet life miserable in the other extreme (although uMatrix can be a pain sometimes).
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  While uMatrix may be a bit of a pain, once you have your basic rulset and whitelists setup it functions very well, and beyond that, it really helps you understand what makes the modern web so shitty, and helps you know which sites are part of that and which aren't, which I think is pretty invaluable. Like many things, it may take more upfront investment but it's worth it imho. If I could force every webdev to browse their site with a fresh uMatrix install I would.
  - davidgerard 6y ago
    I was most amused when he used my site as his test example in the uMatrix manual. https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki/How-to-create-rules-which-apply-everywhere,-on-all-web-sites https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki/How-to-create-rules-...

stonogo 6y ago

Despite repeated requests, Chrome and Chromium still misclassify certain requests in order to hide them from content filters. Here is one example: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=611453 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=611453

gruez 6y ago
I don't get it. The ticket wants beacons/pings to be classified as the same request type as xhr, and it's marked as WONTFIX. Isn't this a good thing?
- stonogo 6y ago
  whether they get lumped in with xhr or with 'other' is immaterial; the problem is the chromium developers refuse to have a 'ping' type like other browser engines do.

molticrystal 6y ago

How is the android scene for Chromium based browsers that either have extension support or adblockers? I am aware only of Yandex & Kiwi as Chromium browsers that support extensions that allow you to install an adblocker. So perhaps Brave is trying to integrate itself there somehow by having it built in. Anybody know a better breakdown than this for mobile browser market share? https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/worldwide#monthly-201905-202005-bar https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/world... It says Chromium is 61% and Yandex is 0.1% but it would be nice to see if Brave was included or not.

aasasd 6y ago
Yandex is the company whose sites actively fight ad-blocking more than anyone else of whom I know. Afaik Yandex is just not in the uBO lists anymore, because it was no use changing the filters again and again. So I guess Yandex might allow installing filters which can't catch it anyway, but I wonder if it won't cripple the extension somehow for good measure.
- Markoff 6y ago
  their browser doesn't affect functionality of ublock, but it's not good browser anyway, trying to show down your throat many intrusive features by default
SahAssar 6y ago
Why is firefox on android not an option for you?
dbeley 6y ago
Try Firefox Preview
kagenouta 6y ago
Brave and a couple of others are actually getting extension support in the near term because Kiwi recently went FOSS.
chewz 6y ago