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While narrowly correct, this barely rises above the level of pedantry. As I'm sure you're aware, racism is in common use as a short form for "racial discriminat

While narrowly correct, this barely rises above the level of pedantry. As I'm sure you're aware, racism is in common use as a short form for "racial discrimination", of which this is uncontroversially an example. Unless you object to white nationalist separatists being called racists, on grounds that wanting a separate white homeland doesn't require any belief in racial superiority? (Or the more mundane form, people who want their neighborhoods to be their own race and oppose race-mixing) This isn't the fact-check "lesson" you think it is; it just pedantic apologia for racial discrimination that shows your own narrow understanding of the situation more than anything else.

jmull 6y ago
Wow. No surprise racism is as strong and prevalent as ever. You will continue to be mystified and confused about why people are as upset as they are if you refuse to understand what the issue actually is. Let's just start with the first thing: the idea that white nationalists separatists do not view white people as superior is nonsensical on its face. > This isn't the fact-check "lesson" you think it is; it just pedantic apologia for racial discrimination that shows your own narrow understanding of the situation more than anything else. I am sad you see it this way. We've got a long way to go. Just try to open up your mind a little. I feel you have the potential or you would not have even responded.
- wutbrodo 6y ago
  > No surprise racism is as strong and prevalent as ever Funny, I feel the same way about your comment. The regressive, dehumanizing impulse most people have to squash everyone into "black guy" or "Asian woman" instead of "full human being whose life can't be reductively captured by their skin color or genitals" is at the root of both old-fashioned racism and the newfangled form you're so enthusiastic about. > the idea that white nationalists separatists do not view white people as superior is nonsensical on its face. I'd imagine the overlap is significant with white supremacists, yes. But racial-/ethnonationalists of every race and ethnicity exist, and they're not all supremacists. There's a memeplex out there that races shouldn't mix that's decoupled from any notion of superiority: for anyone not rightly ensconced in their bubble it's not very difficult to come across this in the wild in, eg, the black community. I'm assuming you don't think that every African-American or Japanese or Indian or Arab or Burundian racial essentialist also thinks that they happen to be the master race? If not, it seems absurd to conclude that whites are the one race for whom this belief exists but _never_ among people who doesn't also believe in racial supremacy. (For what it's worth, I'm pretty opposed to racial separatism, but I'm not ignorant enough to think that it's the same thing as white supremacy. There's a difference between modern Japan and the Third Reich's views on race)
  - jmull 6y ago
    > newfangled form you're so enthusiastic about I am not redefining racism. Just look it up. Superiority based on race. Merriam-Webster: : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race I’m not going to post a link. Just type racism into your favorite search engine. You’ve got to decide if you want to learn or not. > I'm assuming you don't think that every African-American or Japanese or Indian or Arab or Burundian racial essentialist also thinks that they happen to be the master race? Yes, people who are not white can be racist. > There's a difference between modern Japan and the Third Reich's views on race) Absolutely. It’s not like Nazi Germany owned a patent on racism. It could, and does, exist in Japan.

jmull 6y ago

Wow. No surprise racism is as strong and prevalent as ever. You will continue to be mystified and confused about why people are as upset as they are if you refuse to understand what the issue actually is. Let's just start with the first thing: the idea that white nationalists separatists do not view white people as superior is nonsensical on its face. > This isn't the fact-check "lesson" you think it is; it just pedantic apologia for racial discrimination that shows your own narrow understanding of the situation more than anything else. I am sad you see it this way. We've got a long way to go. Just try to open up your mind a little. I feel you have the potential or you would not have even responded.

wutbrodo 6y ago
> No surprise racism is as strong and prevalent as ever Funny, I feel the same way about your comment. The regressive, dehumanizing impulse most people have to squash everyone into "black guy" or "Asian woman" instead of "full human being whose life can't be reductively captured by their skin color or genitals" is at the root of both old-fashioned racism and the newfangled form you're so enthusiastic about. > the idea that white nationalists separatists do not view white people as superior is nonsensical on its face. I'd imagine the overlap is significant with white supremacists, yes. But racial-/ethnonationalists of every race and ethnicity exist, and they're not all supremacists. There's a memeplex out there that races shouldn't mix that's decoupled from any notion of superiority: for anyone not rightly ensconced in their bubble it's not very difficult to come across this in the wild in, eg, the black community. I'm assuming you don't think that every African-American or Japanese or Indian or Arab or Burundian racial essentialist also thinks that they happen to be the master race? If not, it seems absurd to conclude that whites are the one race for whom this belief exists but _never_ among people who doesn't also believe in racial supremacy. (For what it's worth, I'm pretty opposed to racial separatism, but I'm not ignorant enough to think that it's the same thing as white supremacy. There's a difference between modern Japan and the Third Reich's views on race)
- jmull 6y ago
  > newfangled form you're so enthusiastic about I am not redefining racism. Just look it up. Superiority based on race. Merriam-Webster: : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race I’m not going to post a link. Just type racism into your favorite search engine. You’ve got to decide if you want to learn or not. > I'm assuming you don't think that every African-American or Japanese or Indian or Arab or Burundian racial essentialist also thinks that they happen to be the master race? Yes, people who are not white can be racist. > There's a difference between modern Japan and the Third Reich's views on race) Absolutely. It’s not like Nazi Germany owned a patent on racism. It could, and does, exist in Japan.