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You people do realize that snaps have been around for 4 years right? It has widespread first party support from various companies including Microsoft, Amazon, M

by kd913 6y ago

You people do realize that snaps have been around for 4 years right? It has widespread first party support from various companies including Microsoft, Amazon, Mozilla, Google, Spotify, JetBrains etc... They have wide spread adoption with almost 10x the install base of Flatpaks. Do you guys really need to keep throwing blogs at something which isn't going away and is useful to users? How is this useful in anyway? Canonical isn't suddenly going to give up on this, and I don't even want them to.

oblio 6y ago
systemd went away. Oh, wait...
- cycloptic 6y ago
  The thing about that is, even systemd contains bits of functionality that overlap with snap/flatpak now.
quantummkv 6y ago
The main point here is that Snaps take away control from the user. The user has no control over how and when apps update. The backend for snaps is proprietary and completely in control of Canonical. If they decide to shove ads down through Snaps, they can at any time. And the whole hijacking of the chromium apt package to backdoor in snaps without user consent is a move straight out of the Microsoft playbook This feels very natural to what Apple, Google and Microsoft do on their OS. But Canonical seems to have forgotten that such behavior is what drove a lot of people to Linux. It is never going to be accepted. Nor it should be.
- securityfreak 6y ago
  Very well said! I am afraid there is a prophecy in your description. I have started moving all of our infrastructure away from Ubuntu at work. This sounds horrible. 2020 has been bad enough for one year.
RNCTX 6y ago
> Do you guys really need to keep throwing blogs at something which isn't going away and is useful to users? Do you really want the answer to that... There are people who would loudly insist that there should be nothing but a kernel and Stallman's FAQ.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  > There are people who would loudly insist that there should be nothing but a kernel and Stallman's FAQ. Literally nobody says that. Not even RMS says that.
afiori 6y ago
> Do you guys really need to keep throwing blogs at something which isn't going away and is useful to users? How is this useful in anyway? Personally I find snaps a very disappointing solution to a very interesting problem.

by kd913 6y ago

oblio 6y ago

systemd went away. Oh, wait...

cycloptic 6y ago
The thing about that is, even systemd contains bits of functionality that overlap with snap/flatpak now.

quantummkv 6y ago

The main point here is that Snaps take away control from the user. The user has no control over how and when apps update. The backend for snaps is proprietary and completely in control of Canonical. If they decide to shove ads down through Snaps, they can at any time. And the whole hijacking of the chromium apt package to backdoor in snaps without user consent is a move straight out of the Microsoft playbook This feels very natural to what Apple, Google and Microsoft do on their OS. But Canonical seems to have forgotten that such behavior is what drove a lot of people to Linux. It is never going to be accepted. Nor it should be.

securityfreak 6y ago
Very well said! I am afraid there is a prophecy in your description. I have started moving all of our infrastructure away from Ubuntu at work. This sounds horrible. 2020 has been bad enough for one year.

RNCTX 6y ago

> Do you guys really need to keep throwing blogs at something which isn't going away and is useful to users? Do you really want the answer to that... There are people who would loudly insist that there should be nothing but a kernel and Stallman's FAQ.

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> There are people who would loudly insist that there should be nothing but a kernel and Stallman's FAQ. Literally nobody says that. Not even RMS says that.

afiori 6y ago

> Do you guys really need to keep throwing blogs at something which isn't going away and is useful to users? How is this useful in anyway? Personally I find snaps a very disappointing solution to a very interesting problem.