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I don't understand this could you explain?

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cerved 6y ago
Ratings are an important part of the eBay ecosystem. He's saying people let others use their eBay accounts through RDC to game the system. Also it's an auction site. People want to raise the price by bidding on their own items
- mobilio 6y ago
  Exactly. So let's we have fraudseller_1 that sell something like iPhone. Here comes honestbuyer_1 that bid for this item with $50. Seller sees offer, but want to rise it. Since seller can't use his own IP he is using some remote desktop to login somewhere else as fraudbuyer_1 (different account!) and bid $100. Then he wait honestbuyer_1 to bid again. If this happens then two - fraudbuyer_1 and honestbuyer_1 can "race" (note the quotes!) for this item. Of course this is simplified scenario because can be involved pack of fraud buyers to fool buyers. I know some person IRL that was involved 10 years ago in such activities. So his friend sells vacation homes and buyers from UK bidding for them. But if seller doesn't like bids he call to that person to make bid from his own account. And of course to rise price with least $1000. But... this can't be track using eBay since it's via phone call and no remote sessions. Today sellers using virtual desktops (RDP, VNC, TeamViewer or other) to do this.
  - rdtwo 6y ago
    eBay has a policy that allows buys to not pay with limited consequences. If eBay simplicity forced the bidding account to have enough cash to cover the transaction this would no longer be viable as some percentage of the time the shell bidder would have to pay out the fees.
hoorayimhelping 6y ago
Seller A is selling an item he bought for $5 dollars. He's trying to sell it for $10, for a 100% profit. The current bid is $7 dollars. He logs in to a remote desktop and bids on his own item to bump the price with a different MAC and IP. It sells for $12 and he's happy. Seller B is having a hard time making sales. She thinks he needs better ratings. So she logs into the site using a remote client and 'buys' 10 of her items on different accounts and leaves 10 glowing reviews. Ebay is scanning ports to detect the tools used to do this.
- clarry 6y ago
  > Seller A is selling an item he bought for $5 dollars. He's trying to sell it for $10, for a 100% profit. The current bid is $7 dollars. He logs in to a remote desktop and bids on his own item to bump the price with a different MAC and IP. It sells for $12 and he's happy. So why don't you set the starting price at $10? Does ebay not let you set the base price?
  - retrac 6y ago
    An auction for an item with a history of an apparent bidding war up to $10 appears much more desirable than an auction for an item that just sits there for a week at its opening bid of $10.
    - rdtwo 6y ago
      This is why I never bid till 10sec out using a automated app. It’s stupid to actually bid on items and allow the other bidders to respond.
  - c17r 6y ago
    At a lower starting price, you get people bidding. And then you fraudulently raise it. The legit bidders think they have a now have a "vested interest" in it and will bid up "just a little more". It's the same thing with the penny auction sites like DealDash which is part of their terribleness.

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Ratings are an important part of the eBay ecosystem. He's saying people let others use their eBay accounts through RDC to game the system. Also it's an auction site. People want to raise the price by bidding on their own items

mobilio 6y ago
Exactly. So let's we have fraudseller_1 that sell something like iPhone. Here comes honestbuyer_1 that bid for this item with $50. Seller sees offer, but want to rise it. Since seller can't use his own IP he is using some remote desktop to login somewhere else as fraudbuyer_1 (different account!) and bid $100. Then he wait honestbuyer_1 to bid again. If this happens then two - fraudbuyer_1 and honestbuyer_1 can "race" (note the quotes!) for this item. Of course this is simplified scenario because can be involved pack of fraud buyers to fool buyers. I know some person IRL that was involved 10 years ago in such activities. So his friend sells vacation homes and buyers from UK bidding for them. But if seller doesn't like bids he call to that person to make bid from his own account. And of course to rise price with least $1000. But... this can't be track using eBay since it's via phone call and no remote sessions. Today sellers using virtual desktops (RDP, VNC, TeamViewer or other) to do this.
- rdtwo 6y ago
  eBay has a policy that allows buys to not pay with limited consequences. If eBay simplicity forced the bidding account to have enough cash to cover the transaction this would no longer be viable as some percentage of the time the shell bidder would have to pay out the fees.

hoorayimhelping 6y ago

Seller A is selling an item he bought for $5 dollars. He's trying to sell it for $10, for a 100% profit. The current bid is $7 dollars. He logs in to a remote desktop and bids on his own item to bump the price with a different MAC and IP. It sells for $12 and he's happy. Seller B is having a hard time making sales. She thinks he needs better ratings. So she logs into the site using a remote client and 'buys' 10 of her items on different accounts and leaves 10 glowing reviews. Ebay is scanning ports to detect the tools used to do this.

clarry 6y ago
> Seller A is selling an item he bought for $5 dollars. He's trying to sell it for $10, for a 100% profit. The current bid is $7 dollars. He logs in to a remote desktop and bids on his own item to bump the price with a different MAC and IP. It sells for $12 and he's happy. So why don't you set the starting price at $10? Does ebay not let you set the base price?
- retrac 6y ago
  An auction for an item with a history of an apparent bidding war up to $10 appears much more desirable than an auction for an item that just sits there for a week at its opening bid of $10.
  - rdtwo 6y ago
    This is why I never bid till 10sec out using a automated app. It’s stupid to actually bid on items and allow the other bidders to respond.
- c17r 6y ago
  At a lower starting price, you get people bidding. And then you fraudulently raise it. The legit bidders think they have a now have a "vested interest" in it and will bid up "just a little more". It's the same thing with the penny auction sites like DealDash which is part of their terribleness.