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This is so much more useful and innovative than the Cyber Truck.

vardump 6y ago
$125k. That's 2-3x Cybertruck price, so it better have some unique selling points! Bollinger's design is very cool indeed. It'll be interesting to see what EV manufacturers will come up with without limitations set by combustion engines. That said, also Cybertruck seems pretty innovative for me. Starting from $40k, practically indestructible shell for everyday purposes and likely still only about as heavy as Tesla Model S (probably around 4500-5000 lb — the real figure is not publicly known yet). That's because unlike most other vehicles, it doesn't need an internal frame but uses an "exosceleton" for structural support instead. Cybertruck has also a climate controlled bed, as well as an obligatory AC (240V!) socket. Should be pretty amazing for camping, even in freezing temperatures.
- theluketaylor 6y ago
  One distinct difference is Bollinger trucks currently exist as more than rolling prototypes. They have already started production and let people outside the company drive them. Bollinger trucks are also Class 3 vehicles, which means they don't have to pass the same crash tests a more mass market truck like an F-150 does. I've actually seen speculation Tesla may be planning the same trick with Cybertruck, which is fine, but that means you can't expect cyber truck to be built in Model 3 or Y volumes. Tesla has clearly built in a pretty steep decline in battery costs, otherwise the pricing they announced simply isn't possible. Tesla is in a pretty good position to make predictions about future battery costs, but it's likely their lower costs will mean lower costs for everyone. Since there is no real date for cybertruck yet, the costs for other EV trucks may be quite a bit lower by the time cybertruck actually arrives. There is a reason cars and trucks have body panels and bumpers that are not structural. With the structure exposed I'd be worried about minor damage activating the crumple zones and writing off the vehicle. Even the best body shops are not equipped to work on stainless steel. If Tesla is pulling the Class 3 trick cybertruck may not have crumple zones or other safety features to worry about, but that's a whole other problem if people are planning on making it their daily, family vehicle. I really like the vehicles that Tesla actually builds and sells. They are getting better and better at running a production line and the Model Y teardown looks great. I'm less keen on the Tesla hype machine on unreleased things like roadster and cybertruck. Announcing pricing years in advance on unreleased cars results in needing to employ underhanded tricks like selling a $35,000 off-book model 3 you need to know a special process to order. All that to satisfy a commitment you made long before engineering was done, bill of materials complete, and a production line existed.

$125k. That's 2-3x Cybertruck price, so it better have some unique selling points! Bollinger's design is very cool indeed. It'll be interesting to see what EV manufacturers will come up with without limitations set by combustion engines. That said, also Cybertruck seems pretty innovative for me. Starting from $40k, practically indestructible shell for everyday purposes and likely still only about as heavy as Tesla Model S (probably around 4500-5000 lb — the real figure is not publicly known yet). That's because unlike most other vehicles, it doesn't need an internal frame but uses an "exosceleton" for structural support instead. Cybertruck has also a climate controlled bed, as well as an obligatory AC (240V!) socket. Should be pretty amazing for camping, even in freezing temperatures.

theluketaylor 6y ago
One distinct difference is Bollinger trucks currently exist as more than rolling prototypes. They have already started production and let people outside the company drive them. Bollinger trucks are also Class 3 vehicles, which means they don't have to pass the same crash tests a more mass market truck like an F-150 does. I've actually seen speculation Tesla may be planning the same trick with Cybertruck, which is fine, but that means you can't expect cyber truck to be built in Model 3 or Y volumes. Tesla has clearly built in a pretty steep decline in battery costs, otherwise the pricing they announced simply isn't possible. Tesla is in a pretty good position to make predictions about future battery costs, but it's likely their lower costs will mean lower costs for everyone. Since there is no real date for cybertruck yet, the costs for other EV trucks may be quite a bit lower by the time cybertruck actually arrives. There is a reason cars and trucks have body panels and bumpers that are not structural. With the structure exposed I'd be worried about minor damage activating the crumple zones and writing off the vehicle. Even the best body shops are not equipped to work on stainless steel. If Tesla is pulling the Class 3 trick cybertruck may not have crumple zones or other safety features to worry about, but that's a whole other problem if people are planning on making it their daily, family vehicle. I really like the vehicles that Tesla actually builds and sells. They are getting better and better at running a production line and the Model Y teardown looks great. I'm less keen on the Tesla hype machine on unreleased things like roadster and cybertruck. Announcing pricing years in advance on unreleased cars results in needing to employ underhanded tricks like selling a $35,000 off-book model 3 you need to know a special process to order. All that to satisfy a commitment you made long before engineering was done, bill of materials complete, and a production line existed.