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Following the DMCA, a law passed by Congress, will lead to their downfall?

curiousgeorgio 6y ago
Do you really think Twitter would have taken action on a questionable copyright claim (for a single photo of dubious origin) if they weren't already on a crusade to deplatform Trump?
- toast0 6y ago
  Does twitter usually vet DMCA claims, or do they usually follow the procedural steps?
  - curiousgeorgio 6y ago
    I've seen a lot of copyrighted media shared by people on Twitter who are not the owners, and this is the first time I've seen the copyright notice as shown on the president's tweet. I've seen tweets taken down at the request of their authors (or retweets from their original authors), but not in this form - that's what makes it seem (to me) more suspect. If this were happening regularly with the millions of other daily instances (from celebrities to countless other regular users), it would be a little more defensible. The objection here isn't to DMCA takedown requests; it's the blatant (and politically-motivated) inconsistency in the application of their rules.
    - hannasanarion 6y ago
      That's not how DMCA works. It's not automatic, somebody has to specifically target a tweet and show that it violates their copyright. You see copyrighted material all the time because big studios don't think it's worth it to file a legal document to claim every single 30 second clip anybody posts. It's not Twitter's decision whether to file a claim, it's the copyright holder's.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > It's not automatic, somebody has to specifically target a tweet and show that it violates their copyright. No, they don't have to show that, they just have to assert it.
    - erk__ 6y ago
      Note that this is not first time there have been a DMCA takedown of content posted by trump: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/03/donald-trump-video-taken-off-twitter-copyright-nickelback https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/03/donald-trump...
- klyrs 6y ago
  Companies tend to do DMCA takedowns immediately and only ask questions when they're challenged. The "outrage" here is that he's being subject to the same rules as an ordinary citizen. Trump is the president, not an emperor. Yawn. Wake me up when there's bipartisan support to end DMCA.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  Yes, the whole point of the DMCA safe harbor is that companies are incentivized not to try to adjudicate complaints made in proper form. If Trump wants to file a counternotice he can...find out how the DMCA process is fundamentally weighted against counternotice because the underlying potential liability that is being avoided isn't symmetric.
- fearoffish 6y ago
  YouTube does exactly this as well. In fact, some YouTubers have had emails demanding money or they’ll flood YouTube with copyright infringement notices on their videos and so lose their income. This is nothing to do with Twitter choosing to do this to Trump, this is all about how the system works.k
- save_ferris 6y ago
  Twitter has intentionally and repeatedly ignored their own conduct policies to make sure Trump stays on the platform. Just this week, a user created an account that did nothing but copy the president’s tweets and the account was banned after three days. He’s worth millions of dollars to them in terms of traffic, and they’ve repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate his racist, violent, and hateful speech.
  - curiousgeorgio 6y ago
    I'd love to see what you think is the #1 most racist, violent, and hateful tweet from president Trump. Really, go ahead and find it, then let me know what it is. Note: I do not support racism, violence, or hateful actions. I don't seek for things of that nature (I denounce them), but I genuinely haven't seen those qualities in the words of our president, so I sincerely want to know what all the fuss is about with respect to Trump's so-called racist remarks. I have seen a lot of people ascribing those labels to various things he's said (but not intended), and I've seen him say and do a lot of anti-racist things, but apparently the coded racism in his language isn't as obvious to me as it is to so many other people.
    - save_ferris 6y ago
      Here’s a perfect example from today[0]. Trump is denouncing the Kaepernick kneeling trend in the NFL, which represented a protest of police brutality in Kapernick’s own words. His action wound up costing him his career, and now the NFL is apologizing because they got caught suppressing a peaceful and justified protest to speak out against police brutality. Trump, among with many others, refuse to even acknowledge that this legitimate protest in fact denounced a very legitimate problem in America by subverting and redirecting the discussion to respecting the flag. This intentional redirection is an explicitly racist strategy to avoid discussing police brutality. On the violence front, just a few days ago, Trump threatened to deploy active duty troops on protesters marching for a George Floyd. This was such an egregious action that Trump’s own former Secretary of Defense and one of the most regarded leaders in the military to denounce Trump as a threat to the Constitution[1]. Those were his exact words. Trump has called immigrants animals, he secretly separated immigrant children from their parents at the border, he’s constantly calling for investigations of his political rivals, numerous types of behavior that we’ve never seen in a democratically elected leader before. If you’re not understanding the accusations of “coded language”, I’d encourage you to read up on the history dictatorships, because authoritarian behavior (deploying troops against peaceful protestors) and dehumanizing speech (calling immigrants animals) have preceded every single genocide in human history. 0: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268998143733051394 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12689981437330513... 1: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-mattis-trump-statement/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-mattis-trump-statement/
- perl4ever 6y ago
  I believe millions of such copyright claims are processed every day. Literally, millions, although I don't know exactly how many for Twitter specifically. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2016/03/07/how-many-copyright-takedown-notices-does-google.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2016/03/07/how-many...

Do you really think Twitter would have taken action on a questionable copyright claim (for a single photo of dubious origin) if they weren't already on a crusade to deplatform Trump?

toast0 6y ago
Does twitter usually vet DMCA claims, or do they usually follow the procedural steps?
- curiousgeorgio 6y ago
  I've seen a lot of copyrighted media shared by people on Twitter who are not the owners, and this is the first time I've seen the copyright notice as shown on the president's tweet. I've seen tweets taken down at the request of their authors (or retweets from their original authors), but not in this form - that's what makes it seem (to me) more suspect. If this were happening regularly with the millions of other daily instances (from celebrities to countless other regular users), it would be a little more defensible. The objection here isn't to DMCA takedown requests; it's the blatant (and politically-motivated) inconsistency in the application of their rules.
  - hannasanarion 6y ago
    That's not how DMCA works. It's not automatic, somebody has to specifically target a tweet and show that it violates their copyright. You see copyrighted material all the time because big studios don't think it's worth it to file a legal document to claim every single 30 second clip anybody posts. It's not Twitter's decision whether to file a claim, it's the copyright holder's.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > It's not automatic, somebody has to specifically target a tweet and show that it violates their copyright. No, they don't have to show that, they just have to assert it.
  - erk__ 6y ago
    Note that this is not first time there have been a DMCA takedown of content posted by trump: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/03/donald-trump-video-taken-off-twitter-copyright-nickelback https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/03/donald-trump...
klyrs 6y ago
Companies tend to do DMCA takedowns immediately and only ask questions when they're challenged. The "outrage" here is that he's being subject to the same rules as an ordinary citizen. Trump is the president, not an emperor. Yawn. Wake me up when there's bipartisan support to end DMCA.
dragonwriter 6y ago
Yes, the whole point of the DMCA safe harbor is that companies are incentivized not to try to adjudicate complaints made in proper form. If Trump wants to file a counternotice he can...find out how the DMCA process is fundamentally weighted against counternotice because the underlying potential liability that is being avoided isn't symmetric.
fearoffish 6y ago
YouTube does exactly this as well. In fact, some YouTubers have had emails demanding money or they’ll flood YouTube with copyright infringement notices on their videos and so lose their income. This is nothing to do with Twitter choosing to do this to Trump, this is all about how the system works.k
save_ferris 6y ago
Twitter has intentionally and repeatedly ignored their own conduct policies to make sure Trump stays on the platform. Just this week, a user created an account that did nothing but copy the president’s tweets and the account was banned after three days. He’s worth millions of dollars to them in terms of traffic, and they’ve repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate his racist, violent, and hateful speech.
- curiousgeorgio 6y ago
  I'd love to see what you think is the #1 most racist, violent, and hateful tweet from president Trump. Really, go ahead and find it, then let me know what it is. Note: I do not support racism, violence, or hateful actions. I don't seek for things of that nature (I denounce them), but I genuinely haven't seen those qualities in the words of our president, so I sincerely want to know what all the fuss is about with respect to Trump's so-called racist remarks. I have seen a lot of people ascribing those labels to various things he's said (but not intended), and I've seen him say and do a lot of anti-racist things, but apparently the coded racism in his language isn't as obvious to me as it is to so many other people.
  - save_ferris 6y ago
    Here’s a perfect example from today[0]. Trump is denouncing the Kaepernick kneeling trend in the NFL, which represented a protest of police brutality in Kapernick’s own words. His action wound up costing him his career, and now the NFL is apologizing because they got caught suppressing a peaceful and justified protest to speak out against police brutality. Trump, among with many others, refuse to even acknowledge that this legitimate protest in fact denounced a very legitimate problem in America by subverting and redirecting the discussion to respecting the flag. This intentional redirection is an explicitly racist strategy to avoid discussing police brutality. On the violence front, just a few days ago, Trump threatened to deploy active duty troops on protesters marching for a George Floyd. This was such an egregious action that Trump’s own former Secretary of Defense and one of the most regarded leaders in the military to denounce Trump as a threat to the Constitution[1]. Those were his exact words. Trump has called immigrants animals, he secretly separated immigrant children from their parents at the border, he’s constantly calling for investigations of his political rivals, numerous types of behavior that we’ve never seen in a democratically elected leader before. If you’re not understanding the accusations of “coded language”, I’d encourage you to read up on the history dictatorships, because authoritarian behavior (deploying troops against peaceful protestors) and dehumanizing speech (calling immigrants animals) have preceded every single genocide in human history. 0: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268998143733051394 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12689981437330513... 1: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-mattis-trump-statement/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-mattis-trump-statement/
perl4ever 6y ago
I believe millions of such copyright claims are processed every day. Literally, millions, although I don't know exactly how many for Twitter specifically. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2016/03/07/how-many-copyright-takedown-notices-does-google.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2016/03/07/how-many...