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I don't know where else to post about it, this thread seems the most relevant. Regarding yesterday's Buffalo police department incident where one officer pushe

I don't know where else to post about it, this thread seems the most relevant. Regarding yesterday's Buffalo police department incident where one officer pushed an elderly person who was then bleeding on the floor. The police department put out a statement [1]: > "Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," Evans said. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards." IMO - This idea of "I was just following" orders needs to be eradicated. That is a cop out (pardon the pun) and totally puts the responsibility towards no one because the superiors are not even at the scene. Every cop, every officer, every law enforcement persons must not blindly follow orders like they're in the military. They must have some self restraint and put public safety first. I am sorry as this has nothing to do with Police unions, but I felt like speaking up about this excuse of following orders from the superiors is absolutely terrifying. [1] https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/57-members-of-buffalo-police-riot-response-team-resign/ https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/57-members-of-buffalo-pol...

jchw 6y ago
>IMO - This idea of "I was just following" orders needs to be eradicated. There's a phrase for this type of defense, named after a city in Germany...
hrunt 6y ago
Even in the military, "I was just following orders," is not a defense for crimes committed. In the US military, you _must_ disobey orders if those orders are unlawful or a person of ordinary sense and understanding would know them to be unlawful. German soldiers had the same issue after WW2.
chrismcb 6y ago
If their order was to clear the square, they did a very poor job of it. As he was still there. But is it really required to write the order "clear the square in a humane and decent way?"
foogazi 6y ago
The quote: >”I don't know how much contact was made.” Is such a bullshit quote too Why don’t you ask or look at the video? Or say the officer’s name and let the press ask them. BPD won’t even name the officer. But if a civilian had done the same thing there would be a public mugshot now.

jchw 6y ago

>IMO - This idea of "I was just following" orders needs to be eradicated. There's a phrase for this type of defense, named after a city in Germany...

hrunt 6y ago

Even in the military, "I was just following orders," is not a defense for crimes committed. In the US military, you _must_ disobey orders if those orders are unlawful or a person of ordinary sense and understanding would know them to be unlawful. German soldiers had the same issue after WW2.

chrismcb 6y ago

If their order was to clear the square, they did a very poor job of it. As he was still there. But is it really required to write the order "clear the square in a humane and decent way?"

foogazi 6y ago

The quote: >”I don't know how much contact was made.” Is such a bullshit quote too Why don’t you ask or look at the video? Or say the officer’s name and let the press ask them. BPD won’t even name the officer. But if a civilian had done the same thing there would be a public mugshot now.