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I feel like this could end badly, like I feel about the rampant efforts I'm hearing about to "defund the police". Yes, maybe less structural protection and mili
by Avicebron 6y ago
I feel like this could end badly, like I feel about the rampant efforts I'm hearing about to "defund the police". Yes, maybe less structural protection and military grade hardware might help.
But conversely, non-unionized jobs can easily turn into mills for low skilled, unmotivated people. If there is no nuance to this, are we going to end up with a deteriorated police force scrounging for anyone willing to run into a fight and start shooting. I think an over correction here would be very costly long term. Once a union is gone, getting it back has historically been..challenging.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoWell, TFA gives the example of Camden. 8 years ago they fired all the unionized cops and hired a new force. Now those new cops are unionized... but with a different contract that gives the union less power.
- adamsea 6y agoWhat’s the problem with defunding the police? Take 3/4 of their budget. Put 1/4 in community development (so people might actually be able to get jobs or a decent future) 1/4 in mental health, and 1/4 in community-based, nonviolent conflict de-escalation and resolution. See what happens. Or, you know, keep watching videos of cops shove 75-year old men onto the concrete or murder unarmed black American citizens while their police buddies stand by and twiddle their thumbs. [edit: as recent video evidence conclusively shows, the police are already full of people who are ready to start a fight and come in shooting. And police unions are enablers of that criminal activity.
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- gnusty_gnurc 6y agoIt's a utopian gamble contradicting every lesson of human history and culture - namely that evil cannot be eradicated. The idea that social workers will eradicate crime is so foolish, that I'm absolutely bewildered this is being offered. By (what I can only assume) humanities majors! The irony!
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- RhysU 6y agoA dark thought: Posit that some fraction of all people (of all backgrounds) are irreparably evil. Where can civilization best harness their skills to minimize the harm to rest of humanity?
- adamsea 6y agoWhy even posit that to begin with, when we have plenty of science - psychology, sociology, behavioral economics, etc - that are intensely interested in human behavior? We have actual data and reasonably useful models to draw on. What you describe is the setting for a Young Adult fantasy series. Which is fine, and interesting for a while, but not a good way to think about how we would like our society to function. Go read Hannah Arendt's "On Violence", if you haven't. Or "Eichmann in Jerusalem." It's the banality of evil that's the really unsettling thing.
- adamsea 6y agoYou are the utopian, You live in a fantasy world where you imagine that police forces in America serve to uphold law and protect the public. Black Americans, as a group, have made it abundantly clear that they in fact feel threatened by the police as they currently exist. If the police don't treat everybody equally, how can you ever really trust them? Lastly, shame on you for exercising tired stereotype of the humanities. The Founding Fathers studied the humanities.
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- scarface74 6y agoBut conversely, non-unionized jobs can easily turn into mills for low skilled, unmotivated people. How would that would be worse than what we have now?