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Canadaian broadband pricing is actually quite reasonable, especially as you have smaller players that are able to buy last mile lines wholesale at/near cost to

by hhw 6y ago

Canadaian broadband pricing is actually quite reasonable, especially as you have smaller players that are able to buy last mile lines wholesale at/near cost to compete. Wholesale metro fiber is also considerably less than in the US, as public and utilities infrastructure is much more open. And there is already municipal fiber in Montreal, Calgary, and some suburban parts of Vancouver to name a few. You also don't have to play games, like with Comcast that periodically raises your pricing arbitrarily and can really rack up if you're not paying attention. A few years back when I kept an apartment in Seattle, I went from $50/mo on promotional offer, to $80/mo regular, and ended up at almost $120/mo by the time I cancelled less than 2 years later. Such practices would never fly in Canada.

xfer 6y ago
I used to pay $60 for a 30mbps line 2yrs ago in Canada. How is this good?
- hhw 6y ago
  Teksavvy which has pretty good national presence using lines from any of Shaw, Telus, Bell, and Rogers charges $45/mo for 30Mb, $55/mo for 75Mb, and $70/mo for 100Mb. Just in nominal dollars without adjusting for currency, this is better than most pricing I've seen in the US. Comcast is showing a $65/mo promotional offer for 1 year, with no details showing on what speed that is. If it's anything like the $50/mo offer I used to have, it will most likely increase significantly at the end of the year, and will continue going up in price periodically unless you call and complain. Which ISP with nationwide coverage in the US offers significantly better pricing than Teksavvy on comparable plans?
jariel 6y ago
"especially as you have smaller players that are able to buy last mile lines wholesale at/near cost to compete." The US has just as much as this. US rates are lower for the more common bandwidth options [1][2], and as soon as you consider Purchasing Parity - Canadian rates are very high. 'Equipment' / CAPEX is a tiny part of the cost of said networks, so it really should cost a lot less to manage networks in Canada if salaries are lower. Once that factor is taken into consideration Canadian prices are very materially higher. That US companies are cheezy with their 'increasing rates' is kind of a different story. [1] https://mobilesyrup.com/2019/12/18/canada-top-five-highest-costs-100mbps-internet/ https://mobilesyrup.com/2019/12/18/canada-top-five-highest-c... [2] https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/693.nsf/eng/00169.html https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/693.nsf/eng/00169.html
- hhw 6y ago
  Which smaller ISP in the US is able to resell lines from Comcast, TW, AT&T, and Verizon with nationwide coverage? I'm not aware of the US mandating lines be resold at controlled costs dictated by the FCC, but I don't deal with consumer/eyeball networks so perhaps I'm missing something? From the frequent complaints I see about duopolies in most US networks, I'm quite skeptical of this. In metro Vancouver, I'm able to purchase 1G VPLS fiber links for around $800/mo, and dark fiber in the $1000-$2000/mo range for the most part, with similar pricing in Calgary and Toronto. Quotes I've seen in Seattle and Los Angeles have been typically 3-6x that range. I can purchase municipal dark fiber in Coquitlam or New Westminster (suburbs of Vancouver) for $400/mo, and I believe Montreal is $500/mo. I'm not aware of being able to buy metro dark fiber for anywhere near that anywhere in the US.

by hhw 6y ago

xfer 6y ago

I used to pay $60 for a 30mbps line 2yrs ago in Canada. How is this good?

hhw 6y ago
Teksavvy which has pretty good national presence using lines from any of Shaw, Telus, Bell, and Rogers charges $45/mo for 30Mb, $55/mo for 75Mb, and $70/mo for 100Mb. Just in nominal dollars without adjusting for currency, this is better than most pricing I've seen in the US. Comcast is showing a $65/mo promotional offer for 1 year, with no details showing on what speed that is. If it's anything like the $50/mo offer I used to have, it will most likely increase significantly at the end of the year, and will continue going up in price periodically unless you call and complain. Which ISP with nationwide coverage in the US offers significantly better pricing than Teksavvy on comparable plans?

jariel 6y ago

"especially as you have smaller players that are able to buy last mile lines wholesale at/near cost to compete." The US has just as much as this. US rates are lower for the more common bandwidth options [1][2], and as soon as you consider Purchasing Parity - Canadian rates are very high. 'Equipment' / CAPEX is a tiny part of the cost of said networks, so it really should cost a lot less to manage networks in Canada if salaries are lower. Once that factor is taken into consideration Canadian prices are very materially higher. That US companies are cheezy with their 'increasing rates' is kind of a different story. [1] https://mobilesyrup.com/2019/12/18/canada-top-five-highest-costs-100mbps-internet/ https://mobilesyrup.com/2019/12/18/canada-top-five-highest-c... [2] https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/693.nsf/eng/00169.html https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/693.nsf/eng/00169.html

hhw 6y ago
Which smaller ISP in the US is able to resell lines from Comcast, TW, AT&T, and Verizon with nationwide coverage? I'm not aware of the US mandating lines be resold at controlled costs dictated by the FCC, but I don't deal with consumer/eyeball networks so perhaps I'm missing something? From the frequent complaints I see about duopolies in most US networks, I'm quite skeptical of this. In metro Vancouver, I'm able to purchase 1G VPLS fiber links for around $800/mo, and dark fiber in the $1000-$2000/mo range for the most part, with similar pricing in Calgary and Toronto. Quotes I've seen in Seattle and Los Angeles have been typically 3-6x that range. I can purchase municipal dark fiber in Coquitlam or New Westminster (suburbs of Vancouver) for $400/mo, and I believe Montreal is $500/mo. I'm not aware of being able to buy metro dark fiber for anywhere near that anywhere in the US.