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I respectfully disagree. I think the looters/insurgents are causing the chaos.

jmull 6y ago
On the off chance you aren't just trolling: watch the video attached to the story this thread is about. Or watch a hundred similar videos. There are looters/rioters. But there are countless videos showing police attacking peaceful protesters. These are people protesting police violence and the police are responding with violence. Do you think that will lead to more or less chaos? Sometimes the violence bubbles up from the bottom, like in this case (but notice the signs of systemic problems: (1) cops stop and correct the behavior of the one cop whose first impulse is compassion, (2) The police release an official statement to exonerate the cops involved which the video prove is a lie. The problem in Buffalo isn't limited to one or two cops.) Sometimes the violence comes from the top down, like in DC when cops were apparently ordered to violently clear peaceful protestors and bystanders from a public park and church yard (including the pastor of the church!), apparently for a brief, cringy photo-op. Top to bottom, the problem is that cops believe they are above the law, morality, or even just basic decency. I wish we could say "cops are on the side of order." That's their job, and the whole reason police exist. The huge problem here is that they so often are not.
jakelazaroff 6y ago
Have you been out in any of these protests? I have. I'm not just repeating media coverage — I'm telling you what I've seen with my own two eyes, and what people whom I personally know have experienced.
- footnipple 6y ago
  Yes I have. Right in the thick of it. I've seen a lot of destruction at the hands of some very bad people.
drewbug01 6y ago
There is ample public video evidence, available practically in real-time, that disproves this point. I think a slight effort on your part to look at the evidence would dissuade you. There has been looting, but to imply that protestors are "causing chaos" is a dishonest comparison given all evidence publicly available.
- kgraves 6y ago
  footnipple never said that protesters are "causing chaos", there is a difference between looters and protesters, and there is A LOT of evidence online of looters taking advantage of the protesting.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    If there's even still looting in NYC, there's not much of it. Every single protest I've been to has been peaceful. The unprovoked assaults by the NYPD on those breaking curfew this entire week have happened during peaceful protests.
    - kgraves 6y ago
      > If there's even still looting in NYC, there's not much of it. Please, you need to look beyond NYC. The riots/looting has been happening across the US. I agree that there have been peaceful protesting, but you cannot deny that there have been riots and looting across the US. Some black businesses have also been affected by this. There is no justification for it.
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        I'm not claiming there is no looting anywhere. But why should we expect that other police departments treat peaceful protestors any less violently? Do you think the NYPD is just especially sadistic?
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Well, how well did the peaceful protest and Kaepernick kneeling work out in affecting change and getting noticed? Companies that wouldn’t go near BLM with a ten foot pole are actively supporting it. I have White friends who were mostly silent before but are now actively publicly supporting racial justice causes. I’m not saying they were anti Black justice causes before they just weren’t aware of how bad it was. It didn’t hit them viscerally, their only Black friends were the few high income households that lived in their neighborhoods and in their social circles. Just like I was never as an adult against LGBTQ rights. I just didn’t care either way. It just wasn’t on my radar until a few years ago.
mountainboot 6y ago
Insurgents? Really? I think bigfoot is causing the chaos.
- footnipple 6y ago
  Not sure about Bigfoot, but yes, this is a fairly well funded and organized insurgency. Most definitely.
  - plushpuffin 6y ago
    OK, let's nail this down. Who are the insurgents, and what is their goal?
andybak 6y ago
I'm not sure what internet you've been on these last few days but it's a different one to the one I've been on.
spiritplumber 6y ago
You're welcome to think that, but the facts disagree. See all the video for proof :)
standardUser 6y ago
Do you have an examples of looting or rioting that was not a direct response to police brutality? There may be some examples, but every example I can think of in my lifetime was in direct response to illegal, violent acts by the police. Maybe some fringe elements of the Iraq war protests are an exception.

On the off chance you aren't just trolling: watch the video attached to the story this thread is about. Or watch a hundred similar videos. There are looters/rioters. But there are countless videos showing police attacking peaceful protesters. These are people protesting police violence and the police are responding with violence. Do you think that will lead to more or less chaos? Sometimes the violence bubbles up from the bottom, like in this case (but notice the signs of systemic problems: (1) cops stop and correct the behavior of the one cop whose first impulse is compassion, (2) The police release an official statement to exonerate the cops involved which the video prove is a lie. The problem in Buffalo isn't limited to one or two cops.) Sometimes the violence comes from the top down, like in DC when cops were apparently ordered to violently clear peaceful protestors and bystanders from a public park and church yard (including the pastor of the church!), apparently for a brief, cringy photo-op. Top to bottom, the problem is that cops believe they are above the law, morality, or even just basic decency. I wish we could say "cops are on the side of order." That's their job, and the whole reason police exist. The huge problem here is that they so often are not.

jakelazaroff 6y ago

Have you been out in any of these protests? I have. I'm not just repeating media coverage — I'm telling you what I've seen with my own two eyes, and what people whom I personally know have experienced.

footnipple 6y ago
Yes I have. Right in the thick of it. I've seen a lot of destruction at the hands of some very bad people.

drewbug01 6y ago

There is ample public video evidence, available practically in real-time, that disproves this point. I think a slight effort on your part to look at the evidence would dissuade you. There has been looting, but to imply that protestors are "causing chaos" is a dishonest comparison given all evidence publicly available.

kgraves 6y ago
footnipple never said that protesters are "causing chaos", there is a difference between looters and protesters, and there is A LOT of evidence online of looters taking advantage of the protesting.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  If there's even still looting in NYC, there's not much of it. Every single protest I've been to has been peaceful. The unprovoked assaults by the NYPD on those breaking curfew this entire week have happened during peaceful protests.
  - kgraves 6y ago
    > If there's even still looting in NYC, there's not much of it. Please, you need to look beyond NYC. The riots/looting has been happening across the US. I agree that there have been peaceful protesting, but you cannot deny that there have been riots and looting across the US. Some black businesses have also been affected by this. There is no justification for it.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      I'm not claiming there is no looting anywhere. But why should we expect that other police departments treat peaceful protestors any less violently? Do you think the NYPD is just especially sadistic?
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Well, how well did the peaceful protest and Kaepernick kneeling work out in affecting change and getting noticed? Companies that wouldn’t go near BLM with a ten foot pole are actively supporting it. I have White friends who were mostly silent before but are now actively publicly supporting racial justice causes. I’m not saying they were anti Black justice causes before they just weren’t aware of how bad it was. It didn’t hit them viscerally, their only Black friends were the few high income households that lived in their neighborhoods and in their social circles. Just like I was never as an adult against LGBTQ rights. I just didn’t care either way. It just wasn’t on my radar until a few years ago.

mountainboot 6y ago

Insurgents? Really? I think bigfoot is causing the chaos.

footnipple 6y ago
Not sure about Bigfoot, but yes, this is a fairly well funded and organized insurgency. Most definitely.
- plushpuffin 6y ago
  OK, let's nail this down. Who are the insurgents, and what is their goal?

andybak 6y ago

I'm not sure what internet you've been on these last few days but it's a different one to the one I've been on.

spiritplumber 6y ago

You're welcome to think that, but the facts disagree. See all the video for proof :)

standardUser 6y ago

Do you have an examples of looting or rioting that was not a direct response to police brutality? There may be some examples, but every example I can think of in my lifetime was in direct response to illegal, violent acts by the police. Maybe some fringe elements of the Iraq war protests are an exception.