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How much of our police force deals with legitimate violent crime? The vast majority of police do not need guns. edit: > hey deal with rape, suicide, murder,

How much of our police force deals with legitimate violent crime? The vast majority of police do not need guns. edit: > hey deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. Can you back this up? Statistics I've seen do not support your claim, and put violent crimes under 5% of police investigations.

munificent 6y ago
If violent crimes are 4% of police investigations, then it still only requires 25 investigations per week for the parent sentence to be true.
sremani 6y ago
How do you know before hand if a domestic violence case does not escalate out of hand? How would you access the danger or lack there of in a particular situation before walking into it?
- staticassertion 6y ago
  Let's go with this. Every domestic violence case may turn violent - and, again just for the sake of argument, we'll assume that this requires the use of deadly force by the police, so we arm them with deadly weapons. If those cases are extremely rare, and stats I've seen show they are, there is still no need for the weapon in the other cases. We can go ahead and disarm the other officers, and have a small portion maintain arms for potentially violent cases in your given scenario Of course, I'd argue that you don't need deadly force even to deal with the majority of potentially violent crimes, but that's a separate matter.
  - sremani 6y ago
    This is like a turkey problem -- every day is a jolly day until thanksgiving comes, once a year.
  - jki275 6y ago
    DV cases are rare? On what planet? Police deal with DV cases continually.
    - staticassertion 6y ago
      Relatively rare.
mulmen 6y ago
How many interactions do police have in a week? If the number is 20 or more then 5% becomes a common occurrence.
- staticassertion 6y ago
  OK? That doesn't matter. If the vast majority of crimes are not violent, it's not really important what the absolute numbers are. It could be 1,000 or 10, the point is that the majority of responders don't need deadly weapons.
  - mulmen 6y ago
    95% is not “the vast majority”. To put 5% in more extreme terms: would you play Russian roulette with a 20 chamber revolver and one bullet? Each interaction for police is like pulling the trigger in that hypothetical game of Russian roulette. This is why the absolute numbers are actually very important.
    - dpeck 6y ago
      if 95% doesn't qualify as "the vast majority" of anything then the phrase has no usefulness.
      - mulmen 6y ago
        Would you use a hosting provider with 95% uptime? That’s 72 minutes of downtime per day. Would you describe them as being up "the vast majority" of the time?
    - staticassertion 6y ago
      Again, this is not absolute numbers. With the number 95% we can say that 95% of the time they do not need to bring a deadly weapon. It doesn't matter if that's still every day, it means 95% of the time it is not necessary.
      - 6y ago

munificent 6y ago

If violent crimes are 4% of police investigations, then it still only requires 25 investigations per week for the parent sentence to be true.

sremani 6y ago

How do you know before hand if a domestic violence case does not escalate out of hand? How would you access the danger or lack there of in a particular situation before walking into it?

staticassertion 6y ago
Let's go with this. Every domestic violence case may turn violent - and, again just for the sake of argument, we'll assume that this requires the use of deadly force by the police, so we arm them with deadly weapons. If those cases are extremely rare, and stats I've seen show they are, there is still no need for the weapon in the other cases. We can go ahead and disarm the other officers, and have a small portion maintain arms for potentially violent cases in your given scenario Of course, I'd argue that you don't need deadly force even to deal with the majority of potentially violent crimes, but that's a separate matter.
- sremani 6y ago
  This is like a turkey problem -- every day is a jolly day until thanksgiving comes, once a year.
- jki275 6y ago
  DV cases are rare? On what planet? Police deal with DV cases continually.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    Relatively rare.

mulmen 6y ago

How many interactions do police have in a week? If the number is 20 or more then 5% becomes a common occurrence.

staticassertion 6y ago
OK? That doesn't matter. If the vast majority of crimes are not violent, it's not really important what the absolute numbers are. It could be 1,000 or 10, the point is that the majority of responders don't need deadly weapons.
- mulmen 6y ago
  95% is not “the vast majority”. To put 5% in more extreme terms: would you play Russian roulette with a 20 chamber revolver and one bullet? Each interaction for police is like pulling the trigger in that hypothetical game of Russian roulette. This is why the absolute numbers are actually very important.
  - dpeck 6y ago
    if 95% doesn't qualify as "the vast majority" of anything then the phrase has no usefulness.
    - mulmen 6y ago
      Would you use a hosting provider with 95% uptime? That’s 72 minutes of downtime per day. Would you describe them as being up "the vast majority" of the time?
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    Again, this is not absolute numbers. With the number 95% we can say that 95% of the time they do not need to bring a deadly weapon. It doesn't matter if that's still every day, it means 95% of the time it is not necessary.
    - 6y ago