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I just wish Apple allowed better integration with third-party password managers.

by Hamuko 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago
They are upgrading Keychain to be a first class password manager in iOS14. Along with WebAuthN improvements, this might negate the need for many third party password managers.
- Hamuko 6y ago
  How do I use Keychain with Firefox?
  - Twisell 6y ago
    At some point you however have to wonder : Is it up to a browser to support the OS native password manager, or is it the burden of the OS maker to provide a plugin for each browser? Beside Firefox now provide it's own password manager. But it is awkwardly limited within the browser. Same with the recently touted picture in picture mode of Firefox. While I understand it might be enjoyable on OS that don't support that natively it's particularly laughable on OS that does it. Now You potentially have 3 layers of picture in picture implementation. The website, the browser and the OS... (And as you might guess the OS offer the best experience because it have control over all graphical layers).
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Can’t yet. Valid use case, point taken. I use Safari.
    - xenospn 6y ago
      I keep meaning to try different browsers and then realizing I'd have to manually migrate all of my passwords from safari. Not going to happen.
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      - jedieaston 6y ago
        For the longest time, Firefox and Chrome could move passwords from another browser that was on the machine. Maybe give it a shot?
        seniorgarcia 6y ago
        You can import passwords at least from chrome to safari and then they will sync through keychain. I assume importing from Firefox would work as well. The issue is it does not stay in sync, if I use my windows machine and update a password there I would have to re-import where as a password manager (and/or its extension) would just stay synced.
- Someone1234 6y ago
  That's not an actual retort to the critique. Apple cripples third party password managers on purpose. Pointing at Apple's worse product, a product that only works within their confined ecosystem, while claiming it is better than it was isn't a retort, it is a polite middle finger. On that note, I recently set up a new iPhone & Watch. I had to enter my Apple Password six separate times, and 2F twice. And not once was my password manager allowed to populate it, even though it is saved in there. Sure, I could use Keychain, but it lacks common & basic features and doesn't work on PCs, non-Apple mobile devices, or on the web. Maybe if Apple competed fairly on quality rather than abusing their anti-competitive silo(s), they'd have a better password manager.
  - seniorgarcia 6y ago
    You also have to use a cellphone number for your apple id and it is always one of the fallbacks for 2fa which is just horrible considering how insecure cellphone numbers are. Dear Apple, just let me use authy or a hardware token instead of your proprietary bullshit.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Your average Apple consumer doesn’t want a painful time when they lose or damage their hardware token and don’t have a spare, while also not backing up their recovery codes. This happens. It sucks. Apple is a trillion dollar company because they make their users happy enough. Perfect security is not necessarily the best security posture; usability is still a concern.
      - seniorgarcia 6y ago
        So, 2fa is worthless. Hardware tokens are just a token gesture.I have 4 apple devices, which one provides me with a token is somewhat of a gamble... If this is fine with Apple, ok. Why are they pushing apple school manager on me though? Why do I have to provide a cell number for an apple id to sync backups? Why are ASM accounts unable to install apps from the app store unless you assign them from a central app store profile? Why do ASM accounts not work for iMessage? Why do ASM accounts not work for iCloud backups? It's not about usability, it is about locking people in.
jeromegv 6y ago
What are your suggestions? Genuinely curious as I find the iOS integration quite excellent, it lets me pick from 1Password directly on the password prompt.
- mcintyre1994 6y ago
  I'm probably just doing something wrong but I haven't figured out how to save a new password for something I just signed up for anywhere other than Apple's password manager.
  - satysin 6y ago
    I am going by memory here so I very well could be wrong/it may have changed but I think the process is as follows - 1. On the signup page select either the username/email or password text box 2. Press the key icon. 3. Select add in whatever password manager you use (I use Bitwarden) 4. Generate a password, etc. then hit save 5. Select it and it will autofill and add any extra stuff in the sign up form That is how I have done it in the past (maybe not exactly like that, as I said this is from memory) and it has worked well enough. Not a great user experience though to be fair.
    - mcintyre1994 6y ago
      Thanks! I think I was missing the key actually, I usually use the little pop up asking me to save to iCloud, didn’t realise the key let you save too and to any password manager. Nice! :)
  - dfinninger 6y ago
    Settings > Passwords and Accounts > AutoFill Passwords Make sure it's enabled and uncheck "iCloud Keychain" while leaving "1Password" checked. It'll basically make it your default password manager. Most apps that I use handle this well. Some (E-trade) don't seem to have the implementation quite right.
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brynjolf 6y ago
It is miles better than the implementation on Android.

I just wish Apple allowed better integration with third-party password managers.

by Hamuko 6y ago

I just wish Apple allowed better integration with third-party password managers.

They are upgrading Keychain to be a first class password manager in iOS14. Along with WebAuthN improvements, this might negate the need for many third party password managers.

Hamuko 6y ago
How do I use Keychain with Firefox?
- Twisell 6y ago
  At some point you however have to wonder : Is it up to a browser to support the OS native password manager, or is it the burden of the OS maker to provide a plugin for each browser? Beside Firefox now provide it's own password manager. But it is awkwardly limited within the browser. Same with the recently touted picture in picture mode of Firefox. While I understand it might be enjoyable on OS that don't support that natively it's particularly laughable on OS that does it. Now You potentially have 3 layers of picture in picture implementation. The website, the browser and the OS... (And as you might guess the OS offer the best experience because it have control over all graphical layers).
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Can’t yet. Valid use case, point taken. I use Safari.
  - xenospn 6y ago
    I keep meaning to try different browsers and then realizing I'd have to manually migrate all of my passwords from safari. Not going to happen.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - jedieaston 6y ago
      For the longest time, Firefox and Chrome could move passwords from another browser that was on the machine. Maybe give it a shot?
      - seniorgarcia 6y ago
        You can import passwords at least from chrome to safari and then they will sync through keychain. I assume importing from Firefox would work as well. The issue is it does not stay in sync, if I use my windows machine and update a password there I would have to re-import where as a password manager (and/or its extension) would just stay synced.
Someone1234 6y ago
That's not an actual retort to the critique. Apple cripples third party password managers on purpose. Pointing at Apple's worse product, a product that only works within their confined ecosystem, while claiming it is better than it was isn't a retort, it is a polite middle finger. On that note, I recently set up a new iPhone & Watch. I had to enter my Apple Password six separate times, and 2F twice. And not once was my password manager allowed to populate it, even though it is saved in there. Sure, I could use Keychain, but it lacks common & basic features and doesn't work on PCs, non-Apple mobile devices, or on the web. Maybe if Apple competed fairly on quality rather than abusing their anti-competitive silo(s), they'd have a better password manager.
- seniorgarcia 6y ago
  You also have to use a cellphone number for your apple id and it is always one of the fallbacks for 2fa which is just horrible considering how insecure cellphone numbers are. Dear Apple, just let me use authy or a hardware token instead of your proprietary bullshit.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Your average Apple consumer doesn’t want a painful time when they lose or damage their hardware token and don’t have a spare, while also not backing up their recovery codes. This happens. It sucks. Apple is a trillion dollar company because they make their users happy enough. Perfect security is not necessarily the best security posture; usability is still a concern.
    - seniorgarcia 6y ago
      So, 2fa is worthless. Hardware tokens are just a token gesture.I have 4 apple devices, which one provides me with a token is somewhat of a gamble... If this is fine with Apple, ok. Why are they pushing apple school manager on me though? Why do I have to provide a cell number for an apple id to sync backups? Why are ASM accounts unable to install apps from the app store unless you assign them from a central app store profile? Why do ASM accounts not work for iMessage? Why do ASM accounts not work for iCloud backups? It's not about usability, it is about locking people in.

jeromegv 6y ago

What are your suggestions? Genuinely curious as I find the iOS integration quite excellent, it lets me pick from 1Password directly on the password prompt.

mcintyre1994 6y ago
I'm probably just doing something wrong but I haven't figured out how to save a new password for something I just signed up for anywhere other than Apple's password manager.
- satysin 6y ago
  I am going by memory here so I very well could be wrong/it may have changed but I think the process is as follows - 1. On the signup page select either the username/email or password text box 2. Press the key icon. 3. Select add in whatever password manager you use (I use Bitwarden) 4. Generate a password, etc. then hit save 5. Select it and it will autofill and add any extra stuff in the sign up form That is how I have done it in the past (maybe not exactly like that, as I said this is from memory) and it has worked well enough. Not a great user experience though to be fair.
  - mcintyre1994 6y ago
    Thanks! I think I was missing the key actually, I usually use the little pop up asking me to save to iCloud, didn’t realise the key let you save too and to any password manager. Nice! :)
- dfinninger 6y ago
  Settings > Passwords and Accounts > AutoFill Passwords Make sure it's enabled and uncheck "iCloud Keychain" while leaving "1Password" checked. It'll basically make it your default password manager. Most apps that I use handle this well. Some (E-trade) don't seem to have the implementation quite right.
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brynjolf 6y ago

It is miles better than the implementation on Android.