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That is neither relevant or entirely true. I was not yelling "hey everyone, stop using this word!", I was asking whether anyone else sees the same problems in

by franga2000 6y ago

That is neither relevant or entirely true. I was not yelling "hey everyone, stop using this word!", I was asking whether anyone else sees the same problems in its use as I do. And even if I were, telling people why you object to something in hopes they agree and maybe do something about it is literally how discourse works.

seniorgarcia 6y ago
I webex with people. I have teams meetings. I zoom with people. I have hangouts. I'm meeting on discord. I have sob conferences (that's what we call old lync/skype for business calls). I don't care what verb you use as long as the link is correct.
airstrike 6y ago
If we couldn't stop people from literally using "literally" figuratively, what makes you so optimistic about stopping them from zooming? > telling people why you object to something in hopes they agree and maybe do something about it It's fine to object, but the "do something about it" part is not as simple – it's really hard to police discourse. Previous attempts for the most part have either completely failed or catastrophically backfired
- franga2000 6y ago
  Yeah, I couldn't find a better way to say "do something about it". I meant in the sense of "don't use it themselves and maybe occasionally point out the problem". Kind of like Stallman's infamous GNU/Linux copypasta. I have no intention to police anyone, but I see no reason to not object. At least then people know that not literally everyone uses it - although they will point out that "literally" everyone does.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    >I meant in the sense of "don't use it themselves and maybe occasionally point out the problem". The "problem" of using Zoom as a verb for teleconference? In 2020, you really want people to concern with not "using it themselves" and occasionally "pointing out" this "problem"?
    - franga2000 6y ago
      I was just waiting for someone to go for the "there's more important things going on" bullshit. Did I ever say this was the most important thing in the world? Did I even say it's important? Even slightly? You're acting like I'm asking healthcare workers to drop what they're doing and become the language police. I shared an opinion. How dare I?!? Give me a break...
      - coldtea 6y ago
        >Did I ever say this was the most important thing in the world? Did I even say it's important? Even slightly? You don't have to say it explicitly, there's this thing called context. If you ask people to worry about it and maybe "do something", then you give it importance. I'm not saying something has to be the most important thing in the world to care about it. Plenty of things that are not "the most important things in the world" are still worthy caring about. Heck, most things we have to care about (like our rent), are not "the most important things in the world" either. What I'm saying is that this particular thing is so unimportant that we shouldn't care about it. >I shared an opinion. How dare I?!? Give me a break... And I shared mine on that first opinion.
coldtea 6y ago
>And even if I were, telling people why you object to something in hopes they agree and maybe do something about it is literally how discourse works. Yes, but not how language works (same way it's not how the laws of physics work). Language doesn't develop through discourse, but through actual discussions people have (not meta discussions, about what words are right, just plain discussions about whatever).
- franga2000 6y ago
  > Language doesn't develop through discourse, but through actual discussions people have True, language is mostly shaped by people speaking it, but the way those people speak is also influenced by their opinions and the way people around them speak. The fewer people use the term, the fewer new people will start. It also provides some pressure to not use it because someone they know doesn't. For an example of the latter: If a term is offensive to a certain group, they will tell people about it. Some of those people might stop using it as a result. The people around them might never even be exposed to the original term, and if they are, would be told that some consider it offensive and they might stop using it too. (for practical examples, see racial slurs, curse words, etc.) I'm genuinely surprised how many people had a problem with my comment, as I've seen plenty of similar discussions around "GNU/Linux", "Googling", "Windows key", "sending a Gmail"...

seniorgarcia 6y ago

I webex with people. I have teams meetings. I zoom with people. I have hangouts. I'm meeting on discord. I have sob conferences (that's what we call old lync/skype for business calls). I don't care what verb you use as long as the link is correct.

airstrike 6y ago

If we couldn't stop people from literally using "literally" figuratively, what makes you so optimistic about stopping them from zooming? > telling people why you object to something in hopes they agree and maybe do something about it It's fine to object, but the "do something about it" part is not as simple – it's really hard to police discourse. Previous attempts for the most part have either completely failed or catastrophically backfired

franga2000 6y ago
Yeah, I couldn't find a better way to say "do something about it". I meant in the sense of "don't use it themselves and maybe occasionally point out the problem". Kind of like Stallman's infamous GNU/Linux copypasta. I have no intention to police anyone, but I see no reason to not object. At least then people know that not literally everyone uses it - although they will point out that "literally" everyone does.
- coldtea 6y ago
  >I meant in the sense of "don't use it themselves and maybe occasionally point out the problem". The "problem" of using Zoom as a verb for teleconference? In 2020, you really want people to concern with not "using it themselves" and occasionally "pointing out" this "problem"?
  - franga2000 6y ago
    I was just waiting for someone to go for the "there's more important things going on" bullshit. Did I ever say this was the most important thing in the world? Did I even say it's important? Even slightly? You're acting like I'm asking healthcare workers to drop what they're doing and become the language police. I shared an opinion. How dare I?!? Give me a break...
    - coldtea 6y ago
      >Did I ever say this was the most important thing in the world? Did I even say it's important? Even slightly? You don't have to say it explicitly, there's this thing called context. If you ask people to worry about it and maybe "do something", then you give it importance. I'm not saying something has to be the most important thing in the world to care about it. Plenty of things that are not "the most important things in the world" are still worthy caring about. Heck, most things we have to care about (like our rent), are not "the most important things in the world" either. What I'm saying is that this particular thing is so unimportant that we shouldn't care about it. >I shared an opinion. How dare I?!? Give me a break... And I shared mine on that first opinion.

coldtea 6y ago

>And even if I were, telling people why you object to something in hopes they agree and maybe do something about it is literally how discourse works. Yes, but not how language works (same way it's not how the laws of physics work). Language doesn't develop through discourse, but through actual discussions people have (not meta discussions, about what words are right, just plain discussions about whatever).

franga2000 6y ago
> Language doesn't develop through discourse, but through actual discussions people have True, language is mostly shaped by people speaking it, but the way those people speak is also influenced by their opinions and the way people around them speak. The fewer people use the term, the fewer new people will start. It also provides some pressure to not use it because someone they know doesn't. For an example of the latter: If a term is offensive to a certain group, they will tell people about it. Some of those people might stop using it as a result. The people around them might never even be exposed to the original term, and if they are, would be told that some consider it offensive and they might stop using it too. (for practical examples, see racial slurs, curse words, etc.) I'm genuinely surprised how many people had a problem with my comment, as I've seen plenty of similar discussions around "GNU/Linux", "Googling", "Windows key", "sending a Gmail"...