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> I think the only way Amazon or Google ever start to stagnate is if a similar fate befalls them. Google has been stagnating for more than one decade. What hav

> I think the only way Amazon or Google ever start to stagnate is if a similar fate befalls them. Google has been stagnating for more than one decade. What have they created since 2010 that is even remotely interesting, let alone in the interest of society? And Amazon is Rube Goldberg machine of human suffering. Who cares?

mehrdadn 6y ago
> What have they created since 2010 that is even remotely interesting? Translate has gotten a hell of a lot better and it's been helpful for humanity, for one thing.
- einpoklum 6y ago
  I think it existed before 2010. But then, several Google services have improved since 2010. (Not search though...)
  - xnx 6y ago
    It's hard to remember exactly what result quality was like in 2010, but I'm very satisfied with the utility I get form Google search. I can throw a dozen different oddball questions at it and either get the answer directly (without even needing to click through to an often slow and cluttered page), or get what I was looking for as the top result. They do all this in an extremely adversarial environment where "SEO" people spend the majority of their effort trying to boost their pages for specific words.
    - einpoklum 6y ago
      Google is manipulating search results in bad faith: It has admitted engaging in political censorship of results to divert traffic away from undesirable sites. Also, it seems to have a bias in favor of the larger websites generally, but this is an anecdotal observation of mine, there may or may not be evidence to support it.
spydum 6y ago
Kubernetes? BeyondCorp? I'm sure there is plenty. Perhaps they just stink at commercializing anything other than their ad platforms?
- hyperbovine 6y ago
  Your rejoinder makes OP's point better than they did.
tantalor 6y ago
Chromecast (2013) is pretty great.
mav3rick 6y ago
Oh yes Photos Tensorflow Spanner ...not even remotely interesting. Waymo. I'll wait for you to cherry pick another time frame. 99% of people here would work at Google in a heart beat but love to write snarky comments here. Many admittedly jealous of the fact that they couldn't get in. Have fun peddling the hate.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't respond in the flamewar style regardless of how wrong or provocative another comment was. It just makes the thread even worse, and it's against the site guidelines too: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- WhitneyLand 6y ago
  99% of people here are sitting around jealous of Google? Sounds doubtful. I would guess there are more people here who have already been there done that at one of the big tech companies then there are people sitting around jealous.
specialp 6y ago
I think one thing that makes them stagnate is the sheer magnitude of their advertising business. Google is not interested in expanding to other things unless it is either furthering the amount of data they are collecting for advertising, or it has some massive run rate. That is why they are infamous for canning projects that are actually working, they just are not working big enough for google to care past its many billions advertising.
dang 6y ago
Please don't post denunciatory rhetoric to HN. It's tedious. Worse, it acidifies the thread. Those two things are a double dose of poison for curiosity, which is the entire point of this site. You can make your substantive points thoughtfully without damaging this place in the process. Please do it that way instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
bosswipe 6y ago
There's a lot of truth in what you're saying but Google did create some interesting products in its second decade, here's the list I came up with: - Google Assistant is advanced magic. Much better than Apple's Siri or Amazon's Alexa, IMO. - Google Photos is great. - TensorFlow is close to its industry's standard. - Chromebooks and Chrome OS are a hit. - The Pixel line of phones is great, especially their industry leading camera innovations.
- Avicebron 6y ago
  A little off topic: I had the worst experience with Chromebooks, I used one a short time ago and couldn't install essentially anything outside of "approved" google apps. No package manager, 3d modelling software, my whole dev workflow just didn't work. I eventually bit the bullet and bought a 2019 macbook pro to get back to some semblance of sanity. My 2015 had passed :/. Does anyone do dev work on chromebooks?
  - izacus 6y ago
    No, because Chromebooks aren't meant to be good Dev machines. Just like feature phones aren't good at being camera replacements.
    - catalogia 6y ago
      The difference between a camera phone and a professional camera is one of hardware. The difference between a Chromebook and a useful computer is one of software. Installing Debian on my Chromebook Pixel turned a pointless toy into a reasonable tool. It doesn't matter what software you install on your camera phone, the sensor and glass will still be shit.
  - sincerely 6y ago
    Unless your entire dev workflow happens in Google chrome I'm a little confused why you bought a chromebook for development work
    - 6y ago

mehrdadn 6y ago

> What have they created since 2010 that is even remotely interesting? Translate has gotten a hell of a lot better and it's been helpful for humanity, for one thing.

einpoklum 6y ago
I think it existed before 2010. But then, several Google services have improved since 2010. (Not search though...)
- xnx 6y ago
  It's hard to remember exactly what result quality was like in 2010, but I'm very satisfied with the utility I get form Google search. I can throw a dozen different oddball questions at it and either get the answer directly (without even needing to click through to an often slow and cluttered page), or get what I was looking for as the top result. They do all this in an extremely adversarial environment where "SEO" people spend the majority of their effort trying to boost their pages for specific words.
  - einpoklum 6y ago
    Google is manipulating search results in bad faith: It has admitted engaging in political censorship of results to divert traffic away from undesirable sites. Also, it seems to have a bias in favor of the larger websites generally, but this is an anecdotal observation of mine, there may or may not be evidence to support it.

spydum 6y ago

Kubernetes? BeyondCorp? I'm sure there is plenty. Perhaps they just stink at commercializing anything other than their ad platforms?

hyperbovine 6y ago
Your rejoinder makes OP's point better than they did.

tantalor 6y ago

Chromecast (2013) is pretty great.

mav3rick 6y ago

Oh yes Photos Tensorflow Spanner ...not even remotely interesting. Waymo. I'll wait for you to cherry pick another time frame. 99% of people here would work at Google in a heart beat but love to write snarky comments here. Many admittedly jealous of the fact that they couldn't get in. Have fun peddling the hate.

dang 6y ago
Please don't respond in the flamewar style regardless of how wrong or provocative another comment was. It just makes the thread even worse, and it's against the site guidelines too: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
WhitneyLand 6y ago
99% of people here are sitting around jealous of Google? Sounds doubtful. I would guess there are more people here who have already been there done that at one of the big tech companies then there are people sitting around jealous.

specialp 6y ago

I think one thing that makes them stagnate is the sheer magnitude of their advertising business. Google is not interested in expanding to other things unless it is either furthering the amount of data they are collecting for advertising, or it has some massive run rate. That is why they are infamous for canning projects that are actually working, they just are not working big enough for google to care past its many billions advertising.

dang 6y ago

Please don't post denunciatory rhetoric to HN. It's tedious. Worse, it acidifies the thread. Those two things are a double dose of poison for curiosity, which is the entire point of this site. You can make your substantive points thoughtfully without damaging this place in the process. Please do it that way instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bosswipe 6y ago

There's a lot of truth in what you're saying but Google did create some interesting products in its second decade, here's the list I came up with: - Google Assistant is advanced magic. Much better than Apple's Siri or Amazon's Alexa, IMO. - Google Photos is great. - TensorFlow is close to its industry's standard. - Chromebooks and Chrome OS are a hit. - The Pixel line of phones is great, especially their industry leading camera innovations.

Avicebron 6y ago
A little off topic: I had the worst experience with Chromebooks, I used one a short time ago and couldn't install essentially anything outside of "approved" google apps. No package manager, 3d modelling software, my whole dev workflow just didn't work. I eventually bit the bullet and bought a 2019 macbook pro to get back to some semblance of sanity. My 2015 had passed :/. Does anyone do dev work on chromebooks?
- izacus 6y ago
  No, because Chromebooks aren't meant to be good Dev machines. Just like feature phones aren't good at being camera replacements.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    The difference between a camera phone and a professional camera is one of hardware. The difference between a Chromebook and a useful computer is one of software. Installing Debian on my Chromebook Pixel turned a pointless toy into a reasonable tool. It doesn't matter what software you install on your camera phone, the sensor and glass will still be shit.
- sincerely 6y ago
  Unless your entire dev workflow happens in Google chrome I'm a little confused why you bought a chromebook for development work
  - 6y ago