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I really hope you don’t actually think the real world works this way. Police are not a ’tool’ in a vacuum, but rather a massively complex interconnected system

I really hope you don’t actually think the real world works this way. Police are not a ’tool’ in a vacuum, but rather a massively complex interconnected system influenced by thousands of different external forces. Changing the ’rules’ for them would do nothing.

renewiltord 6y ago
So you say, but you have no evidence reform is impossible. Whereas nations with police forces not built like authoritarian staatspolizei have lower uses of force, violence, and abuse. According to HN, everything is impossible. In reality? Going to space didn't have to cost a billion a launch, electric cars weren't impossible, and we can have fibre internet. For every one of these things, the HN gestalt is that "they're a complex interconnected system influenced by thousands of different external forces". Welp, guess what. Alexander's cut the Gordian Knot. It's clear now that everything is possible and y'all are just hyper risk averse.
- sol_invictus 6y ago
  You're the one who needs to prove that literally the only change needed in turning America into a peaceful nation is reforming the police code. I thought you guys had - just as examples off the top of my head - nationwide gun, drug and mental health "epidemics", but I guess those are completely moot now.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > So you say, but you have no evidence reform is impossible. Whereas nations with police forces not built like authoritarian staatspolizei have lower uses of force, violence, and abuse. > According to HN, everything is impossible. In reality? Going to space didn't have to cost a billion a launch, electric cars weren't impossible, and we can have fibre internet. Not exactly. It's more like the status quo that serves them is impossible to change because they don't want it changed. Stereotypical HN likes space and electric cars and hates anything that may disrupt their comfortable sociopolitical station.

renewiltord 6y ago

So you say, but you have no evidence reform is impossible. Whereas nations with police forces not built like authoritarian staatspolizei have lower uses of force, violence, and abuse. According to HN, everything is impossible. In reality? Going to space didn't have to cost a billion a launch, electric cars weren't impossible, and we can have fibre internet. For every one of these things, the HN gestalt is that "they're a complex interconnected system influenced by thousands of different external forces". Welp, guess what. Alexander's cut the Gordian Knot. It's clear now that everything is possible and y'all are just hyper risk averse.

sol_invictus 6y ago
You're the one who needs to prove that literally the only change needed in turning America into a peaceful nation is reforming the police code. I thought you guys had - just as examples off the top of my head - nationwide gun, drug and mental health "epidemics", but I guess those are completely moot now.
ardy42 6y ago
> So you say, but you have no evidence reform is impossible. Whereas nations with police forces not built like authoritarian staatspolizei have lower uses of force, violence, and abuse. > According to HN, everything is impossible. In reality? Going to space didn't have to cost a billion a launch, electric cars weren't impossible, and we can have fibre internet. Not exactly. It's more like the status quo that serves them is impossible to change because they don't want it changed. Stereotypical HN likes space and electric cars and hates anything that may disrupt their comfortable sociopolitical station.