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Wow...just wow. The only way to deal with people having bad ideas is censorship? Seriously? What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) i

Wow...just wow. The only way to deal with people having bad ideas is censorship? Seriously? What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media? It really bothers me that there is a group of people begging for corporate overloads to control and think for the population. Its literally the opposite of everything this country stands for.

wvenable 6y ago
> What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media? What would education do except promote good ideas and reject bad ideas? What would trusted institutions do except promote good ideas and reject bad ideas? What would independent media do to improve things except promote good ideas and reject bad ideas?
mcguire 6y ago
"What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media?" Oh, my god! You want someone telling us how to think, only allowing the right groups to provide information, and having anyone else under the thumb of some financial interest?
tzs 6y ago
> What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media? They do not work, because the time and cost to create and widely disseminate falsehoods is much less than the time and cost to refute those falsehoods. See "Firehose of falsehood" [1], which is an apt name for what happens now thanks to the internet and social media greatly lowering the barriers to getting information widely distributed. As RAND researchers put it, "Don't expect to counter the firehose of falsehood with the squirt gun of truth." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
- Hnrobert42 6y ago
  Exactly. I see a lot of posts refuting the garbage from the too post, and it does nothing. It’s like watching a whole community try to nail jello to a telephone pole.
  - yongjik 6y ago
    Upvoted for the imagery. :)
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      I believe Bill Clinton is responsible for the original - "nailing jello to a wall"
      - Hnrobert42 6y ago
        Interesting. The guy I lifted it from will probably be rather embarrassed to be quoting Clinton. <tents fingers. laughs evilly.>
- kelnos 6y ago
  > They do not work, because the time and cost to create and widely disseminate falsehoods is much less than the time and cost to refute those falsehoods. It's not about countering falsehoods, it's about giving people the tools to think critically and not be duped by falsehoods in the first place.
  - phatfish 6y ago
    What about the people that don't care about critical thinking? Where an idea has come from (or the person advocating for it) often seems far more important than whether it's reasonable or true. There is a societal change that needs to take place to fix that. Not caring about truth is a sign that a person has given up, it feels like a lot of people have given up.
  - tzs 6y ago
CamperBob2 6y ago
What about improving education You can't educate people out of that kind of stupidity. I don't know what the answer is, but that's not it.

wvenable 6y ago

> What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media? What would education do except promote good ideas and reject bad ideas? What would trusted institutions do except promote good ideas and reject bad ideas? What would independent media do to improve things except promote good ideas and reject bad ideas?

mcguire 6y ago

"What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media?" Oh, my god! You want someone telling us how to think, only allowing the right groups to provide information, and having anyone else under the thumb of some financial interest?

tzs 6y ago

> What about improving education, building functional (and trusted) institutions, and having more independent (non-profit driven) media? They do not work, because the time and cost to create and widely disseminate falsehoods is much less than the time and cost to refute those falsehoods. See "Firehose of falsehood" [1], which is an apt name for what happens now thanks to the internet and social media greatly lowering the barriers to getting information widely distributed. As RAND researchers put it, "Don't expect to counter the firehose of falsehood with the squirt gun of truth." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

Hnrobert42 6y ago
Exactly. I see a lot of posts refuting the garbage from the too post, and it does nothing. It’s like watching a whole community try to nail jello to a telephone pole.
- yongjik 6y ago
  Upvoted for the imagery. :)
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    I believe Bill Clinton is responsible for the original - "nailing jello to a wall"
    - Hnrobert42 6y ago
      Interesting. The guy I lifted it from will probably be rather embarrassed to be quoting Clinton. <tents fingers. laughs evilly.>
kelnos 6y ago
> They do not work, because the time and cost to create and widely disseminate falsehoods is much less than the time and cost to refute those falsehoods. It's not about countering falsehoods, it's about giving people the tools to think critically and not be duped by falsehoods in the first place.
- phatfish 6y ago
  What about the people that don't care about critical thinking? Where an idea has come from (or the person advocating for it) often seems far more important than whether it's reasonable or true. There is a societal change that needs to take place to fix that. Not caring about truth is a sign that a person has given up, it feels like a lot of people have given up.
- tzs 6y ago

CamperBob2 6y ago

What about improving education You can't educate people out of that kind of stupidity. I don't know what the answer is, but that's not it.