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I really don't know what they want anymore. How much cleaner than Reddit does it get? There is nothing left that is even remotely controversial. I'm so confused

• CydeWeys 6y ago
  Are you joking? There's a huge number of cesspools still on reddit. Stuff like thedonald, theredpill, all sorts of blatantly racist/misogynistic communities.
  • s9w 6y ago
    TD is gone for a long time now.
    • ceejayoz 6y ago
      No, it's not. https://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald https://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald
      • s9w 6y ago
        It's really not - look at the dates. There was some bullshit going on, there is nothing left.
        • eganist 6y ago
          > Only approved users may post in this community. So now it's the truest propaganda machine, you're saying. Approved users only for consumption by a dedicated subscriber base.
          • s9w 6y ago
            No the sub doesn't exist anymore. There was an admin takeover and they left it in this odd "technically existing" state for some reason. TD is gone - you can look for stories about it some months ago.
            • eganist 6y ago
              https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/gshffi/trump_signs_social_media_executive_order_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/gshffi/trump_si... The sub clearly exists, comments are clearly recent, and CovfefeBucks (the most recent mod) is clearly submitting content (linked). Not sure why you insist on gaslighting, but that makes this our last interaction.
              • kirstenbirgit 6y ago
                /r/The_Donald has effectively been archived and marked read-only. There's no or little activity - the link you posted was an exception - all users have moved over to a third party site. While one could argue that Reddit should have removed the subreddit sooner, I'm not sure that would have done them any favors (see Streisand Effect.) They opted to strangle the community slowly, hoping it would dissipate. But it just moves elsewhere, like it always does.
              • invalidOrTaken 6y ago
                The top comment on the link you posted is, "Are we back?" Reply is "Still only approved posters I think." The link itself is to a pinned, mod-posted, announcement link to an article about an executive order to strip social media platforms from liability protections from charges of bias. The most recent non-announcement post was two months ago. Other choice top-level comments: - "Huh and coincidentally I see a TD post on my feed for the first time in months." - "TD COME BACK" - "The Phoenix shall rise from the ashes" - "OMG it’s been so long, I have missed you all my friends!!!" Meanwhile, taking a jaunt to thedonald.win, shows what is basically a reddit clone with much more activity, easily verifiable with two minutes examination. I'm not a /r/the_donald reader/subscriber/whatever, and haven't followed whatever reddit drama has transpired, but it's pretty clear they've been shut down for a while.
          • lolbrels 6y ago
            You seem pretty out of touch and sound like a crazed lunatic. They moved platforms to stop being censored and only maintain the subreddit so it cannot be taken by another moderator and manipulated. Bye bye.
      • disposekinetics 6y ago
        When I sort by date submitted the last post that came up was 2 months ago. That seems pretty dead to me. Edit: Also the sidebar says there are 600 active users. I assume that includes me following your link. For comparison /r/news has ~68,000 users as of this writing.
      • appleflaxen 6y ago
        that proves the point of the person you are replying to: there is no activity at all; they've moved on.
        • rglovejoy 6y ago
          For the curious, everyone there has moved on to thedonald.win.
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  • cycrutchfield 6y ago
    I get the feeling they are quite familiar with those communities.
    • ganstyles 6y ago
      Anecdotally, and interestingly, I've only ever seen the phrase "virtue signal" from the alt-right/white supremacist/Trump supporter group. I think I understand what it's trying to convey, but it seems to be used anytime someone sides with something with which that group disagrees. It's like a "dog whistle" for white supremacists and personally when I see it used, it makes me question everything else that person said.
      • attilakun 6y ago
        I don't know. The minorities I talk to tend to be quite aware that some people are engaging in point-scoring for ultimately self-serving purposes. However, they are not usually loud about this observation, so the sentiment might get lost in the noise.
        • gbpz 6y ago
          I am a hispanic and this is exactly how I feel. We are not pawns that need to be manipulated for social points.
      • tick_tock_tick 6y ago
        Really? The lgbtq+ community has huge debates on virtue signaling every year. Many view pride as being completely overtakes by companies virtue signaling.
  • anewdirection 6y ago
    They are all 'quarintined' subr-ddits, that are not part of the larger community, and are more or less muted until you join them. Not quite the same. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of r-ddit, but for very different reasons that are not fully relevant to this discussion.
  • cataphract 6y ago
    From what I can see the_donald is effectively dead and theredpill is also quarantined so it might as well be, since quarantined subreddits are always eventually banned.
    • CydeWeys 6y ago
      These are the first examples that come to mind. There are many more with similar userbases that has migrated from them. Don't forget all the Pizzagate/QAnon stuff, incels, etc. Here's a longer list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communiti... Also, quarantined != banned. It's still on reddit, and those users spread out onto other non-quarantined subreddits and spew the same kind of garbage.
      • mantas 6y ago
        Banning a subreddit doesn't ban it's users.
        • CydeWeys 6y ago
          The problem with having a cesspool is that it attracts lots of those types of people to your site in the first place, and ingrains it in them that that kind of behavior is acceptable. They then start acting like that elsewhere on the site and lower the level of discourse everywhere. Ban the cesspools and most of those people will actually leave the site for good, as what drew them to it in the first place is now gone. You also no longer have any cesspools serving as negative guideposts for making bad contributions. So if you moderate your site well, and just get rid of this kind of stuff, it ends up much better in the long run.
    • minimaxir 6y ago
      /r/the_donald was quarantined a year ago and hasn't been banned yet.
      • nilkn 6y ago
• psychometry 6y ago
  You must be kidding. Please tell me you're kidding. Ever been to /r/the_donald? /r/conspiracy? /r/protectandserve?
  • s9w 6y ago
    TD is gone for a long time now. r/protectandserve is a reddit for police officers as far as I know? Not sure what's controversial.
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    • s09dfhks 6y ago
      lately its been them sharing memes about "why are protestors so surprised when we gas them" and the like
      • mst 6y ago
        I don't really see how removing the subreddit would make them any less likely to gas protestors though. Honestly, I'd've thought anti-police-brutality people would prefer them to share such things publicly for screenshotting purposes and etc.
  • throwaway45783 6y ago
    What's wrong with /r/conspiracy?
    • psychometry 6y ago
      The same thing that's wrong with conspiracy theories (e.g. Q). Lunatics flock to platforms that let them disseminate their lies.
      • devado 6y ago
        but everything is cleanly tagged under /r/conspiracy ?
• eganist 6y ago
  lead-ish mod /r/relationship_advice here nope. The horrors we ban for are usually considered (by their submitters) to be perfectly normal, and we often have people starting debates with us about our own rules because other subreddits permit passive bigotry across race, gender, orientation, etc. There's a lot. You've just closed your eyes to it. We've had mods quit because of the volume of crap.
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  • s9w 6y ago
    r/relationship_advice is quite infamous for its extreme stance.
    • eganist 6y ago
      We've got a pretty straightforward stance, really. We don't tolerate intolerance, and mindful consent is a pre-requisite for all things. That's it. Amazing how much that weeds out. :)
      • s9w 6y ago
        You are well known to ban very good advice on a very specific topic - but we both know that even mentioning that would get me into trouble.
        • eganist 6y ago
          > Well you are well known to ban very good advice on a very specific topic - but we both know that even mentioning that would get me into trouble. The only advice we ban for are: 1. advice advocating for intolerance against a protected class (e.g. lgbtq+, race, etc.) 2. anything involving violence or suicide, regardless of jokes. And beyond that, we're obligated to remove submissions involving CSA per Reddit (or Reddit Anti-Evil Operations does it for us), and in such an event we provide resources the submitter can use to seek help or an escape. It's pretty cut and dry.
• chomp 6y ago
  A post on Reddit the other day said it best: >People are being radicalized on your site. Ideological violence—murder—is committed by people who were heavily involved in hate communities on reddit that are still not banned as of today. All you jellyfish can muster up is some finger wagging and a yellow triangle to let them know that they've been so naughty that they get an ad-free experience and the inability to give reddit money through awards. Here I am wishing every subreddit could be so privileged.
• turdnagel 6y ago
  It seems like you don't have a great understanding of what's going on in the USA right now. This isn't virtue signaling, which is usually more about posting on social media or using a hashtag. You might disagree with the actions he's taken, but Ohanian is taking action, not just paying lip service.
• tasty_freeze 6y ago
  The man is married to a black woman and has a biracial child with her who will be seen as black by and large. It is a personal issue to him. But even if it wasn't a personal issue to him, I'm more disturbed by the number of people who 100% fail to engage with an issue and dismiss it as virtue signalling, as if a person couldn't authentically care about the issue. Yes, Ohanian is a rich guy, but by stepping away from his role at reddit, it is foregoing likely future income. He is going to spend time working on these issues. Why is that so easy to dismiss?
  • s9w 6y ago
    Why does he have to say that he's married to a black woman. That he has a black child. That he is quitting. That he's hiring a BLACKKK person etc. Just do it man, don't make a wave. Give money and do all those things. How about hiring the best person for the job and not one that brings you the most goodie points right now. And again Reddit is about the least controversial thing on the net. It's ridiculous to paint it as a "hateful" website (whatever that is).
    • tasty_freeze 6y ago
      Why does he have to say it? Because there are jerks out there who will dismiss his actions as virtue signaling. He is stating it is personal and he is committed. Do complain this much and call it virtue signaling if someone says they served in the armed forces and they love the flag?
    • na85 6y ago
      >Why does he have to say that he's married to a black woman. That he has a black child. That he is quitting. That he's hiring a BLACKKK person etc. Just do it man, don't make a wave. Because he's trying to make a statement that racism is wrong, and because he wants the reasons for his resignation to be publically known, of course. Isn't that obvious?
• fullshark 6y ago
  Man I remember how much of a controversy it was when they killed /r/jailbait and a bunch of other subreddits. That was back when it actually seemed like a community with inside jokes about narwhals and bacon and nonsense. I don't know if their desire to please advertisers is responsible for the fact that it's now a ragebait click farm, but it sure seems like they are connected.
  • lemmonii 6y ago
    That was a long long time ago, remember when the comments on reddit were actually filled with some intelligent discussion?
• dang 6y ago
  Would you please stop using HN for ideological battle? It's against the site guidelines for good reason—it destroys curious conversation in two ways: first by being predictable (so the signal/noise ratio goes down) and second by being inflammatory (so it evokes worse from other people, leading to a downward spiral). Also, please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments generally. You've been doing that a lot lately, and we eventually penalize or ban such accounts. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  • s9w 6y ago
    I genuinely think you have it backwards. The SNR went down significantly during the last weeks - which is understandable with events that dominate the news cycle so much. But HN was absolutely flooded with feel-good, no-content articles about just how good the author is, with everyone in the comments chiming in on how good they are and how bad all the opposing voices are. That is not "signal". Voices like mine and the few others are though. And they are certainly not predictable as they're literally against the overwhelming majority of homogeneous posts in the other direction. The following downward spiral is evidently caused by the majority who doubles and triples down on their virtue signalling - not the people causing the signal/"trouble". Now I know what you really mean of course. You don't want dissenting opinions. But you shouldn't frame this as a SNR issue.
    • dang 6y ago
      The existence of bad comments doesn't justify adding more bad comments, and certainly not worse ones. That's how internet forums destroy themselves. Putting all the blame on the other side is just another battle move. This has nothing to do with not wanting dissenting opinions. That's a cheap thing to say, because everyone always feels like the mods are against their side and secretly supporting the other. The issue is that your comment was obviously in the flamewar style. Please stop using HN for ideological battle. We've had to warn you about this more than once before.