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That is what's becoming apparent right now, yes. I was more of an "a few bad apples" person until this week. But they're making it extremely clear that as a fac

by _bxg1 6y ago

That is what's becoming apparent right now, yes. I was more of an "a few bad apples" person until this week. But they're making it extremely clear that as a faction they have no regard for anything or anyone but their own power and bravado.

secabeen 6y ago
Yep. The police seem to be caught in us-vs-them tribalism where police are the us, and them is the citizenry that they are supposed to serve.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Yeah, and then they also manage to convince themselves (and their supporters) that they're the victims, because they do dangerous work/their colleagues get shot, and the "they" they are facing are all dangerous Jason Bourne-esque assassins...
  - philips 6y ago
    I recently have been learning how deadly Policing is in comparison to other jobs and it came as a surprise to me: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/charted-the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/chart...
    - asdff 6y ago
      In reality it's an absolute dogshit job. The hours are long, there's a very real chance of PTSD or bodily harm, and they haze you worse than bootcamp. LAPD has a problem recruiting since everyone who is level headed enough to make a good cop sees it rightly as this horrible job.
      - dopamean 6y ago
        They can fix some of that on their own and they choose not to.
        asdff 6y ago
        You can fix a lot of it but at the end of the day, no one likes standing on your feet directing traffic for hours in a black uniform on a hot day, or having to pin down an aggressive drunk at 3am. LAPD functions in a lot of ways as a bouncer would, but with more risk of contracting bloodborne disease. It's just a not a very pleasant line of work no matter what you do or how you reform the system, and that's why they can't recruit.
DanHulton 6y ago
I mean "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" is the full phrase, so... I guess that's what we're all seeing.
- _bxg1 6y ago
  Touche
- enraged_camel 6y ago
  And even those that aren't "spoiled" (in the sense of committing atrocities themselves) still tolerate and provide cover for those who do. It's an entire culture of suck.
- catalogia 6y ago
  Incidentally this is literally true. Spoiling apples release ethylene gas, a plant hormone which functions as a ripening agent, accelerating the breakdown of other nearby apples.
anticonformist 6y ago
This principle incriminates the protesters just as much. There is widespread rationalization and support for the "few bad apples" perpetrating violence/looting/burning/rioting. There is very little condemnation. Lots of quoting MLK Jr. "rioting is the voice of the unheard" and yet MLK Jr. certainly did not practice or advocate violence. If the protesters can't regulate their own bad apples then how can they judge police for not being able to? Currently, this is two groups of unethical idiots fighting with each other. With each group's extremists serving to justify the other's extremists. The outcome is easily predicted. Either the protesters take the ethical high ground or they lose.
- bradleybuda 6y ago
  Because one of those groups has a legal monopoly on violence, de facto power, budgets, training, and an incredibly loud political voice.
- alexilliamson 6y ago
  With great power comes great responsibility. The protesters, even the bad ones, don't have tanks and near-universal legal immunity.
- bcrosby95 6y ago
  I choose to not care about the looters because I know that if they get caught, we won't be giving them a paid vacation then clear them of all wrongdoing.
- lm28469 6y ago
  > This principle incriminates the protesters just as much. Yeah but you know, one group _took oath to protect and serve_ and the other didn't. It's like when Trump say some racist shit VS when your drunk uncle says the same thing, you can't put both sides to the same standards. Everybody condemn rioters, but for some reasons a lot of people, including the president and many officials, manage to rationalise police brutality and if you don't see that as the obvious main issue you're most likely in the wrong. > The outcome is easily predicted. Either the protesters take the ethical high ground or they lose. This is the kind of thoughts I had when I was 15, I don't even know what to reply to that anymore. ______ Also, why do people keep creating new accounts to post these very poorly thought comments ? Don't you have the balls to attach your speech to your semi public internet presence or are you just trolling ?

by _bxg1 6y ago

secabeen 6y ago

Yep. The police seem to be caught in us-vs-them tribalism where police are the us, and them is the citizenry that they are supposed to serve.

netsharc 6y ago
Yeah, and then they also manage to convince themselves (and their supporters) that they're the victims, because they do dangerous work/their colleagues get shot, and the "they" they are facing are all dangerous Jason Bourne-esque assassins...
- philips 6y ago
  I recently have been learning how deadly Policing is in comparison to other jobs and it came as a surprise to me: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/charted-the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/chart...
  - asdff 6y ago
    In reality it's an absolute dogshit job. The hours are long, there's a very real chance of PTSD or bodily harm, and they haze you worse than bootcamp. LAPD has a problem recruiting since everyone who is level headed enough to make a good cop sees it rightly as this horrible job.
    - dopamean 6y ago
      They can fix some of that on their own and they choose not to.
      - asdff 6y ago
        You can fix a lot of it but at the end of the day, no one likes standing on your feet directing traffic for hours in a black uniform on a hot day, or having to pin down an aggressive drunk at 3am. LAPD functions in a lot of ways as a bouncer would, but with more risk of contracting bloodborne disease. It's just a not a very pleasant line of work no matter what you do or how you reform the system, and that's why they can't recruit.

DanHulton 6y ago

I mean "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" is the full phrase, so... I guess that's what we're all seeing.

_bxg1 6y ago
Touche
enraged_camel 6y ago
And even those that aren't "spoiled" (in the sense of committing atrocities themselves) still tolerate and provide cover for those who do. It's an entire culture of suck.
catalogia 6y ago
Incidentally this is literally true. Spoiling apples release ethylene gas, a plant hormone which functions as a ripening agent, accelerating the breakdown of other nearby apples.

anticonformist 6y ago

This principle incriminates the protesters just as much. There is widespread rationalization and support for the "few bad apples" perpetrating violence/looting/burning/rioting. There is very little condemnation. Lots of quoting MLK Jr. "rioting is the voice of the unheard" and yet MLK Jr. certainly did not practice or advocate violence. If the protesters can't regulate their own bad apples then how can they judge police for not being able to? Currently, this is two groups of unethical idiots fighting with each other. With each group's extremists serving to justify the other's extremists. The outcome is easily predicted. Either the protesters take the ethical high ground or they lose.

bradleybuda 6y ago
Because one of those groups has a legal monopoly on violence, de facto power, budgets, training, and an incredibly loud political voice.
alexilliamson 6y ago
With great power comes great responsibility. The protesters, even the bad ones, don't have tanks and near-universal legal immunity.
bcrosby95 6y ago
I choose to not care about the looters because I know that if they get caught, we won't be giving them a paid vacation then clear them of all wrongdoing.
lm28469 6y ago
> This principle incriminates the protesters just as much. Yeah but you know, one group _took oath to protect and serve_ and the other didn't. It's like when Trump say some racist shit VS when your drunk uncle says the same thing, you can't put both sides to the same standards. Everybody condemn rioters, but for some reasons a lot of people, including the president and many officials, manage to rationalise police brutality and if you don't see that as the obvious main issue you're most likely in the wrong. > The outcome is easily predicted. Either the protesters take the ethical high ground or they lose. This is the kind of thoughts I had when I was 15, I don't even know what to reply to that anymore. ______ Also, why do people keep creating new accounts to post these very poorly thought comments ? Don't you have the balls to attach your speech to your semi public internet presence or are you just trolling ?