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look up dave underwood look up micah xavier johnson fyi, i am rate limited so cannot respond inline until tomorrow but to my point, think about the examples

by yters 6y ago

look up dave underwood look up micah xavier johnson fyi, i am rate limited so cannot respond inline until tomorrow but to my point, think about the examples i give and how they might raise concerns among cops that their lives could be in danger around these protests

ceejayoz 6y ago
> look up dave underwood Unknown assailants? > look up micah xavier johnson So "currently" meant "four years ago", and someone who was kicked out of the New Black Panther Party for espousing violent rhetoric?
- yters 6y ago
  as a cop, regardless of whether these people get kicked out, the movement clearly draws them, and the protests are not organized, so there is no good guarantee the protest will not turn lethal these cops are fellow citizens and many are also black. shouldn't their lives be protected as well? update due to rate limit: we might be talking past each other at this point origin concern in the article is police come to protests all decked out in swat gear i think this makes a lot of sense given the nature of the protests and prior and current violence against police blowing up someone after a cop gets killed does nothing for the dead cop so, i think until the movement organizes better and self polices much better, swat geared police is the only humane option, if we believe cops' lives matter too
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > the movement clearly draws them That's an assertion your "one or two cases in four years" does not support at all. > so there is no good guarantee the protest will not turn lethal That's not a legitimate reason to limit protests. > shouldn't their lives be protected as well? Police lives are very well protected, and any attack on them is met with overwhelming force. Your Micah Xavier Johnson example clearly demonstrates this - they deployed a literal killer robot to take him out.
    - yters 6y ago
      how does killing micah protect the dead cops? i dont understand what your argument is here. it seems we agree the cops should protect themselves at these events. what am i missing?
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        The argument is: Cops are heavily equipped, given tremendous leeway to protect themselves, significant attacks on them are rare, and those attacks are met with overwhelming and immediate force. As a result, their job is actually surprisingly safe - your average window roofer is at more risk of on-the-job injuries and death. What's happening at "these events" are that cops are now instigating violence and suppressing peaceful protest of their activities. Not only is that unacceptable, but it works counter to the supposed goal of protecting themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_riot Showing up hyped up and armed to the teeth doesn't protect them, it escalates things.
        yters 6y ago
        i wouldnt say comparing to a window washer is quite the same being in the military is very safe, but most dont want to sign up let alone deploy to a warzone the structure of tgis argument is very interesting it seems we are saying the cops are responsible for how people react to their appearance, yet in other settings this sort of argument doesnt fly

by yters 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago

> look up dave underwood Unknown assailants? > look up micah xavier johnson So "currently" meant "four years ago", and someone who was kicked out of the New Black Panther Party for espousing violent rhetoric?

yters 6y ago
as a cop, regardless of whether these people get kicked out, the movement clearly draws them, and the protests are not organized, so there is no good guarantee the protest will not turn lethal these cops are fellow citizens and many are also black. shouldn't their lives be protected as well? update due to rate limit: we might be talking past each other at this point origin concern in the article is police come to protests all decked out in swat gear i think this makes a lot of sense given the nature of the protests and prior and current violence against police blowing up someone after a cop gets killed does nothing for the dead cop so, i think until the movement organizes better and self polices much better, swat geared police is the only humane option, if we believe cops' lives matter too
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > the movement clearly draws them That's an assertion your "one or two cases in four years" does not support at all. > so there is no good guarantee the protest will not turn lethal That's not a legitimate reason to limit protests. > shouldn't their lives be protected as well? Police lives are very well protected, and any attack on them is met with overwhelming force. Your Micah Xavier Johnson example clearly demonstrates this - they deployed a literal killer robot to take him out.
  - yters 6y ago
    how does killing micah protect the dead cops? i dont understand what your argument is here. it seems we agree the cops should protect themselves at these events. what am i missing?
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      The argument is: Cops are heavily equipped, given tremendous leeway to protect themselves, significant attacks on them are rare, and those attacks are met with overwhelming and immediate force. As a result, their job is actually surprisingly safe - your average window roofer is at more risk of on-the-job injuries and death. What's happening at "these events" are that cops are now instigating violence and suppressing peaceful protest of their activities. Not only is that unacceptable, but it works counter to the supposed goal of protecting themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_riot Showing up hyped up and armed to the teeth doesn't protect them, it escalates things.
      - yters 6y ago
        i wouldnt say comparing to a window washer is quite the same being in the military is very safe, but most dont want to sign up let alone deploy to a warzone the structure of tgis argument is very interesting it seems we are saying the cops are responsible for how people react to their appearance, yet in other settings this sort of argument doesnt fly