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Yeah, if you're ever asked why you're on Signal, just say you wanted to stay in touch with a programmer friend who's not on Facebook/WhatsApp, and they suggeste

by m12k 6y ago

Yeah, if you're ever asked why you're on Signal, just say you wanted to stay in touch with a programmer friend who's not on Facebook/WhatsApp, and they suggested Signal (that is now literally true as well - I suggest you try Signal, friend)

pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
Couldn't you just say "I really like the user interface." Or "The logo looks cool." Or "It had 4 stars." Of "It had lots of good reviews."
- Blaiz0r 6y ago
  no one would believe you...
  - mkup 6y ago
    How does that matter? You have the right to install any apps you want, and wacky questions deserve wacky answers.
    - filleduchaos 6y ago
      How does that matter? Perhaps due to the potential scenario in question being interrogation by law enforcement that doesn't have your best interests at heart, not "who has the better witty retort to score points online?".
- Hamuko 6y ago
  I mean, I don't get why it has to get any more complicated than "I have friends that use it". That's the main reason for having any messaging app.
- izacus 6y ago
  And the cop will say "I don't believe you you terrorist" and lock you up until you say something else. This has happened time and time again, including in the latest Hong Kong protests, on American border interrogations and it will happen in these US protests as well. Once you're on the list of suspects from someone elses Signal chat, you're not going to persuade a suspicious official by bullshitting.
  - computerfriend 6y ago
    Do you have a source for the claim that this has happened at protests in Hong Kong? I haven't heard of anyone being arrested here on the basis that they had Signal installed.
    - izacus 6y ago
      They got arrested by association. Signal chat group is such an association, just like other chat groups are. Except that Signal guarantees to give out your phone number (and by extension location and personal address) to every single person in a chat group. There have been lynchings in India based on this kind of data leaked by WhatsApp which resulted in them finally allowing joining groups anonymously.
      - deadwing0 6y ago
        Do you have a source for this?
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  Rubbing ones hands together to stave off the chilling effect.
- pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
  How about "I searched for the term "private messaging" in Google Play Store database and Signal was the top result." https://play.google.com/store/search?q=private+messaging https://play.google.com/store/search?q=private+messaging
kilroy_jones 6y ago
No need to say anything really.
Silhouette 6y ago
FWIW, many of my friends actually could say this, for I am a programmer who's not on Facebook/WhatsApp and recommends Signal. It definitely needs to be more reliable, though. The last time I tried to call someone with Signal instead of just using it for messaging, I got a ringing indication but they heard nothing and then after a few seconds the call showed up as missed, and the same happened the other way around with them calling me. There seem to have been about 500 updates to the iOS app in the past 5 minutes via the app store, though, so many whatever caused that was a short-lived glitch.
- sadfklsjlkjwt 6y ago
  This is not unique to Signal though. I've had this happen with WhatsApp about 1-2% of the times I've tried to place a call in the last few months
- spockz 6y ago
  I’ve had this happen with normal carrier phone calls as well so it appears till be nothing special. Maybe there should be a different tone for “finding device(s) to ring” and “ringing device”.
jrochkind1 6y ago
If the law enforcement is talking to you in the U.S., the only right answer is "I'd prefer to have a laywer here." Not a joke, for real. They are experts at getting you to talk to them even if you know this. They are experts at getting you to say things that incriminate you or your friends -- that you or your friends have done nothing wrong (in your opinion/as far as you know) will not protect you. The only answers you should be rehearsing or thinking of in advance are "I would like a lawyer" and "I would like to remain silent." They are rehearsing how to get you to say incriminating things, a lot. Rehearsing or thinking up any other answers only plays into their strengths. Even knowing this, I've been tricked into talking to them, to my detriment. They are really good at it.
- vincentmarle 6y ago
  I’ve heard this before but here’s my practical problem: I don’t know any lawyers. I have literally no idea who to call in such a situation. Do I have to go find and retain a lawyer beforehand just in case I might need one later?
  - dfxm12 6y ago
    In the case you get arrested, you'll be made aware that if you don't have a lawyer, one will be appointed to you. If you're not arrested, you should be able to just leave the interrogation (emphasis on should, of course).
  - Loughla 6y ago
    It's not a bad idea to have a relationship with a lawyer. Talk to family/friends/co-workers. Somebody will have a name for you. We made a relationship with one I found through family via estate planning (not his specialty) and land deals (not his specialty). Now I have a name to say out loud when I interact with police. This has happened twice. The OP is right, they'll do everything they can to get you to talk, but understand that if a police officer is talking to you, they're digging for information to incriminate you. In my case, I was a witness to something, and they cuffed me and made me sit on the curb. No possible way I could've needed to be cuffed and questioned. And that was the approach my lawyer took when he came. Best $100 I ever spent.
lozf 6y ago
Thanks! Just gonna need your phone number (for plausible deinabality) ;) ... And just hope there are no records that I've been using it since the days when it was 2 apps,- Red Phone & TextSecure, before becoming Signal.
ssully 6y ago
I got a group of friends to use Signal because of the following: 1. Sharing videos/pictures/memes is terrible in an SMS group chat 2. One person in the group has bad cell service, so we needed something that would send messages over Wifi 3. Half the people are on Android, so no iMessage 4. 1/4 of the people aren't on Facebook, so no messenger I was the one who suggested Signal. I did so because I like the end to end encryption, but that was not a selling point for anyone else. They just cared that it solved the problems above.
antisocial 6y ago
I want to emphasize that DeleteWhatsapp, DeleteInstagram should trend equally with DeleteFacebook.

by m12k 6y ago

pwdisswordfish2 6y ago

Couldn't you just say "I really like the user interface." Or "The logo looks cool." Or "It had 4 stars." Of "It had lots of good reviews."

Blaiz0r 6y ago
no one would believe you...
- mkup 6y ago
  How does that matter? You have the right to install any apps you want, and wacky questions deserve wacky answers.
  - filleduchaos 6y ago
    How does that matter? Perhaps due to the potential scenario in question being interrogation by law enforcement that doesn't have your best interests at heart, not "who has the better witty retort to score points online?".
Hamuko 6y ago
I mean, I don't get why it has to get any more complicated than "I have friends that use it". That's the main reason for having any messaging app.
izacus 6y ago
And the cop will say "I don't believe you you terrorist" and lock you up until you say something else. This has happened time and time again, including in the latest Hong Kong protests, on American border interrogations and it will happen in these US protests as well. Once you're on the list of suspects from someone elses Signal chat, you're not going to persuade a suspicious official by bullshitting.
- computerfriend 6y ago
  Do you have a source for the claim that this has happened at protests in Hong Kong? I haven't heard of anyone being arrested here on the basis that they had Signal installed.
  - izacus 6y ago
    They got arrested by association. Signal chat group is such an association, just like other chat groups are. Except that Signal guarantees to give out your phone number (and by extension location and personal address) to every single person in a chat group. There have been lynchings in India based on this kind of data leaked by WhatsApp which resulted in them finally allowing joining groups anonymously.
    - deadwing0 6y ago
      Do you have a source for this?
thinkingemote 6y ago
Rubbing ones hands together to stave off the chilling effect.
pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
How about "I searched for the term "private messaging" in Google Play Store database and Signal was the top result." https://play.google.com/store/search?q=private+messaging https://play.google.com/store/search?q=private+messaging

kilroy_jones 6y ago

No need to say anything really.

Silhouette 6y ago

FWIW, many of my friends actually could say this, for I am a programmer who's not on Facebook/WhatsApp and recommends Signal. It definitely needs to be more reliable, though. The last time I tried to call someone with Signal instead of just using it for messaging, I got a ringing indication but they heard nothing and then after a few seconds the call showed up as missed, and the same happened the other way around with them calling me. There seem to have been about 500 updates to the iOS app in the past 5 minutes via the app store, though, so many whatever caused that was a short-lived glitch.

sadfklsjlkjwt 6y ago
This is not unique to Signal though. I've had this happen with WhatsApp about 1-2% of the times I've tried to place a call in the last few months
spockz 6y ago
I’ve had this happen with normal carrier phone calls as well so it appears till be nothing special. Maybe there should be a different tone for “finding device(s) to ring” and “ringing device”.

jrochkind1 6y ago

If the law enforcement is talking to you in the U.S., the only right answer is "I'd prefer to have a laywer here." Not a joke, for real. They are experts at getting you to talk to them even if you know this. They are experts at getting you to say things that incriminate you or your friends -- that you or your friends have done nothing wrong (in your opinion/as far as you know) will not protect you. The only answers you should be rehearsing or thinking of in advance are "I would like a lawyer" and "I would like to remain silent." They are rehearsing how to get you to say incriminating things, a lot. Rehearsing or thinking up any other answers only plays into their strengths. Even knowing this, I've been tricked into talking to them, to my detriment. They are really good at it.

vincentmarle 6y ago
I’ve heard this before but here’s my practical problem: I don’t know any lawyers. I have literally no idea who to call in such a situation. Do I have to go find and retain a lawyer beforehand just in case I might need one later?
- dfxm12 6y ago
  In the case you get arrested, you'll be made aware that if you don't have a lawyer, one will be appointed to you. If you're not arrested, you should be able to just leave the interrogation (emphasis on should, of course).
- Loughla 6y ago
  It's not a bad idea to have a relationship with a lawyer. Talk to family/friends/co-workers. Somebody will have a name for you. We made a relationship with one I found through family via estate planning (not his specialty) and land deals (not his specialty). Now I have a name to say out loud when I interact with police. This has happened twice. The OP is right, they'll do everything they can to get you to talk, but understand that if a police officer is talking to you, they're digging for information to incriminate you. In my case, I was a witness to something, and they cuffed me and made me sit on the curb. No possible way I could've needed to be cuffed and questioned. And that was the approach my lawyer took when he came. Best $100 I ever spent.

lozf 6y ago

Thanks! Just gonna need your phone number (for plausible deinabality) ;) ... And just hope there are no records that I've been using it since the days when it was 2 apps,- Red Phone & TextSecure, before becoming Signal.

ssully 6y ago

I got a group of friends to use Signal because of the following: 1. Sharing videos/pictures/memes is terrible in an SMS group chat 2. One person in the group has bad cell service, so we needed something that would send messages over Wifi 3. Half the people are on Android, so no iMessage 4. 1/4 of the people aren't on Facebook, so no messenger I was the one who suggested Signal. I did so because I like the end to end encryption, but that was not a selling point for anyone else. They just cared that it solved the problems above.

antisocial 6y ago

I want to emphasize that DeleteWhatsapp, DeleteInstagram should trend equally with DeleteFacebook.