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OP said home, not house. This would include apartments.

Barrin92 6y ago
This is how a typical German residential street looks (https://reidiculoustravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dsc_0722.jpg https://reidiculoustravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dsc_0...) It's not really trivial to pack that full of chargers if you don't want to interfer with pedestrians or cyclists.
- deelowe 6y ago
  I get it, but do you think queuing up at a petrol station is a viable solution to this or is it more likely to be political maneuvering to appease the station owners who are worried their business models will be obsolete soon?
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    I haven't looked much into it and I don't know that many people who own an electric car, to be honest. What I could think of is that gas stations themselves might become somewhat more multi-use, that's already the case in some places in Germany. So people might to grab something to eat while charging up or do some shopping and so on. Scale them up a bit so that people have something useful to do while their car charges. People in Germany still like traditional stores and physical shopping a lot, I don't think it's just pandering to the owners.
  - yellowapple 6y ago
    > or is it more likely to be political maneuvering to appease the station owners who are worried their business models will be obsolete soon? What would be the point of that? If station owners believe that charging stations will keep their businesses alive, then they'll put them in themselves, without needing a law telling them to do so.
- caf 6y ago
  Probably need to develop some kind of under-street mounted charging, like the way conference room tables hide their port clusters.
- kube-system 6y ago
  Couldn't fit anything like this? https://cdn.nanalyze.com/uploads/2018/12/Largest-Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Network-Teaser.jpg https://cdn.nanalyze.com/uploads/2018/12/Largest-Electric-Ve... Or build it into the lamp posts? https://drive-green.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/07/EV-Photo-lamppost.png https://drive-green.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/07... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8733539/ubitricity_designboom_02.jpg https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8733539/ub...
- mac01021 6y ago
  The bulk of the charger would have to be embedded in the street or sidewalk with only the cable protruding. That might make for a pretty expensive installation, but it could be done.
- cmrdporcupine 6y ago
  Like I said earlier, my father's family is German; there is a mix of residential situations and I wouldn't say the majority of them live in the scenario you are showing here with a densely packed street; and for the people who live like that, car ownership isn't strictly necessary. Ideally we want people to not have to drive at all. Which is actually possible in most German cities. Last time I was visiting Mainz I was able to take trains and buses everywhere, including out into the countryside for a hike. This is a far better situation than anywhere in North America. My Oma & Opa lived in suburban Mainz (Weisenhau) in an apartment building (with a parkade of some kind, don't recall the details as this was about 25 years ago) for decades before moving back downtown to a senior's residence. My aunt and uncle live in Mainz Laubenheim, in a single family home with a car parking pad in front for their vehicle. My other aunt lives in a building, she doesn't own or need to own a car really.
- nelgaard 6y ago
  Chargers are only small poles, not that big. And you do not need to pack the street full of chargers. Just pust a few chargers that each charge two cars and reserve the the spots for electrical cars. When electrical cars get numerous add an hourly fee to motivate owners to move their cars when full charged. This is how it looks at my place in Copenhagen: two charging stations each serving two cars. https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=55.70679767500985&lng=12.580493881681264&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=6lJOi9PiQIucJTI4KJQ3zQ https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=55.70679767500985&lng=12.... But I also think charging at petrol stations make sense. When considering buying an electric car, at least if the family only have one car, it is a big issue if it can be used on long trips, even if you only do them a few times a year. And if you are driving to Italy doing 90+ miles/h on the German highways then you will need to charge you vehicle several times. And you will not have time to get off the highway every time. But a 20 minute toilet and coffee break is acceptable.

This is how a typical German residential street looks (https://reidiculoustravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dsc_0722.jpg https://reidiculoustravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/dsc_0...) It's not really trivial to pack that full of chargers if you don't want to interfer with pedestrians or cyclists.

deelowe 6y ago
I get it, but do you think queuing up at a petrol station is a viable solution to this or is it more likely to be political maneuvering to appease the station owners who are worried their business models will be obsolete soon?
- Barrin92 6y ago
  I haven't looked much into it and I don't know that many people who own an electric car, to be honest. What I could think of is that gas stations themselves might become somewhat more multi-use, that's already the case in some places in Germany. So people might to grab something to eat while charging up or do some shopping and so on. Scale them up a bit so that people have something useful to do while their car charges. People in Germany still like traditional stores and physical shopping a lot, I don't think it's just pandering to the owners.
- yellowapple 6y ago
  > or is it more likely to be political maneuvering to appease the station owners who are worried their business models will be obsolete soon? What would be the point of that? If station owners believe that charging stations will keep their businesses alive, then they'll put them in themselves, without needing a law telling them to do so.
caf 6y ago
Probably need to develop some kind of under-street mounted charging, like the way conference room tables hide their port clusters.
kube-system 6y ago
Couldn't fit anything like this? https://cdn.nanalyze.com/uploads/2018/12/Largest-Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Network-Teaser.jpg https://cdn.nanalyze.com/uploads/2018/12/Largest-Electric-Ve... Or build it into the lamp posts? https://drive-green.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/07/EV-Photo-lamppost.png https://drive-green.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/07... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8733539/ubitricity_designboom_02.jpg https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8733539/ub...
mac01021 6y ago
The bulk of the charger would have to be embedded in the street or sidewalk with only the cable protruding. That might make for a pretty expensive installation, but it could be done.
cmrdporcupine 6y ago
Like I said earlier, my father's family is German; there is a mix of residential situations and I wouldn't say the majority of them live in the scenario you are showing here with a densely packed street; and for the people who live like that, car ownership isn't strictly necessary. Ideally we want people to not have to drive at all. Which is actually possible in most German cities. Last time I was visiting Mainz I was able to take trains and buses everywhere, including out into the countryside for a hike. This is a far better situation than anywhere in North America. My Oma & Opa lived in suburban Mainz (Weisenhau) in an apartment building (with a parkade of some kind, don't recall the details as this was about 25 years ago) for decades before moving back downtown to a senior's residence. My aunt and uncle live in Mainz Laubenheim, in a single family home with a car parking pad in front for their vehicle. My other aunt lives in a building, she doesn't own or need to own a car really.
nelgaard 6y ago
Chargers are only small poles, not that big. And you do not need to pack the street full of chargers. Just pust a few chargers that each charge two cars and reserve the the spots for electrical cars. When electrical cars get numerous add an hourly fee to motivate owners to move their cars when full charged. This is how it looks at my place in Copenhagen: two charging stations each serving two cars. https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=55.70679767500985&lng=12.580493881681264&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=6lJOi9PiQIucJTI4KJQ3zQ https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=55.70679767500985&lng=12.... But I also think charging at petrol stations make sense. When considering buying an electric car, at least if the family only have one car, it is a big issue if it can be used on long trips, even if you only do them a few times a year. And if you are driving to Italy doing 90+ miles/h on the German highways then you will need to charge you vehicle several times. And you will not have time to get off the highway every time. But a 20 minute toilet and coffee break is acceptable.