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> In reality, just 10 unarmed black men were killed by the police last year.[3] Isn't that 10 way too many and the whole point of the current protests.

by jussij 6y ago

tuna-piano 6y ago
10 of any tragic thing is too many. The question is if that constitutes a trend, epidemic, pattern, etc in a country with 18,000 police agencies, 800,000 police and 330 million people. Twitter made the case that Trump's tweet was false by saying "These claims are unsubstantiated, according to CNN, Washington Post and others. Experts say mail-in ballots are very rarely linked to voter fraud." Why can't that statement be rewritten to say that "Experts say that police killings of unarmed black men are very rare". and most of those 10 were attacking police officers when they were killed
esyir 6y ago
This is already a decreasing trend, and drastically at that. Typically, you protest about things getting worse, not better. Do note that IIRC, this is 10 unarmed black men shot by the police though, since non-shooting deaths aren't properly tracked. So Imperfect data collection could be an issue here. And on the too many side, I think that 1 is too many, but unfortunately, the nature of the american enforcement landscape (and I don't mean police attitudes here, I mean prevalence of guns) mean that mistakes fundamentally more likely than in most other countries.
- jussij 6y ago
  > you protest about things getting worse, not better. I'm not sure this was the motivating factor for these initial protests. Now it may have morphed into this over time, but I think they started on much simpler terms. The world watch as a police officer kill someone and then watch as the authorities did very little about it (i.e. getting sacked for killing someone is a rather strange form of punishment). The protests where in response to that poor attempted by the authorities to serve up justice for what is an obvious act of manslaughter if not murder.

> In reality, just 10 unarmed black men were killed by the police last year.[3] Isn't that 10 way too many and the whole point of the current protests.

by jussij 6y ago

> In reality, just 10 unarmed black men were killed by the police last year.[3] Isn't that 10 way too many and the whole point of the current protests.

tuna-piano 6y ago

10 of any tragic thing is too many. The question is if that constitutes a trend, epidemic, pattern, etc in a country with 18,000 police agencies, 800,000 police and 330 million people. Twitter made the case that Trump's tweet was false by saying "These claims are unsubstantiated, according to CNN, Washington Post and others. Experts say mail-in ballots are very rarely linked to voter fraud." Why can't that statement be rewritten to say that "Experts say that police killings of unarmed black men are very rare". and most of those 10 were attacking police officers when they were killed

esyir 6y ago

This is already a decreasing trend, and drastically at that. Typically, you protest about things getting worse, not better. Do note that IIRC, this is 10 unarmed black men shot by the police though, since non-shooting deaths aren't properly tracked. So Imperfect data collection could be an issue here. And on the too many side, I think that 1 is too many, but unfortunately, the nature of the american enforcement landscape (and I don't mean police attitudes here, I mean prevalence of guns) mean that mistakes fundamentally more likely than in most other countries.

jussij 6y ago
> you protest about things getting worse, not better. I'm not sure this was the motivating factor for these initial protests. Now it may have morphed into this over time, but I think they started on much simpler terms. The world watch as a police officer kill someone and then watch as the authorities did very little about it (i.e. getting sacked for killing someone is a rather strange form of punishment). The protests where in response to that poor attempted by the authorities to serve up justice for what is an obvious act of manslaughter if not murder.