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In the postmortem it states that they are moving to Cloudflare

walrus01 6y ago
ahh yes, the more ethical choice to move to well known hosters of DDoS protection for white supremacist sites and literal nazis. Why not move to a company that is just a domain registrar.
- _jal 6y ago
  Why not stick to the topic at hand, rather than trying to hijack the discussion?
  - walrus01 6y ago
    The topic at hand is where to move a domain out to, and whether said company is one that can be relied upon to act ethically and responsibly. I don't see the difference.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - dogecoinbase 6y ago
    What makes you think that overall ethical behavior of a domain registrar is not relevant to the topic at hand?
- recursive 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure anyone cause cloudflare's DDoS protection. It's not limited to a particular political persuasion.
- jayshua 6y ago
  I mean, if you're switching registrars because the last one banned your domain that almost sounds like an endorsement.
  - walrus01 6y ago
    From a purely pragmatic standpoint you're not wrong.
- fennecfoxen 6y ago
  I thought Cloudflare was more about saying "we were wrong to try to be the world's speech police, and will never again bow to public pressure and take away DDOS from literal Nazis" and then taking down 8chan and other literal Nazis anyway because of public pressure.
jeffbee 6y ago
I'd like to interrupt all the sanctimonious blathering in this thread to note that Cloudflare domain registration terms and conditions are almost a verbatim copy of Google's, and includes the same unilateral cancellation clause for phishing. Cloudflare: "Cloudflare and Registry Operator may deny, cancel, suspend, transfer, redirect or modify the Registrar Services or a Registration, or place any domain name(s) on lock, hold or similar status, as either deems necessary, in the unlimited and sole discretion of either Cloudflare ... for distributing malware, abusively operating botnets, phishing, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement, fraudulent or deceptive practices, counterfeiting or otherwise engaging in activity contrary to applicable law." Google: "We may in our sole discretion, deny, suspend or cancel any registration or transaction, or place any domain name(s) on registry lock, hold or similar status if ... engaging in spam, phishing, or other deceptive practices."
- bashinator 6y ago
  I think the primary issue with Google Domains here is not that they have these kinds of terms, but that they enforced them in a particularly incompetent way. The original report of the phishing site was over a week old and had already been resolved, when google shut down the domain. Hopefully the people at Cloudflare are a bit better at their jobs.
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    Oh, I don't know that we have enough unbiased information to conclude what you concluded. One of the first comments posted in this thread today was "Is it related to the countless phishing pages hosted on your service?" from which we can deduce that the phishing problem on Gitbook is well-known to random members of the public.

ahh yes, the more ethical choice to move to well known hosters of DDoS protection for white supremacist sites and literal nazis. Why not move to a company that is just a domain registrar.

_jal 6y ago
Why not stick to the topic at hand, rather than trying to hijack the discussion?
- walrus01 6y ago
  The topic at hand is where to move a domain out to, and whether said company is one that can be relied upon to act ethically and responsibly. I don't see the difference.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- dogecoinbase 6y ago
  What makes you think that overall ethical behavior of a domain registrar is not relevant to the topic at hand?
recursive 6y ago
I'm pretty sure anyone cause cloudflare's DDoS protection. It's not limited to a particular political persuasion.
jayshua 6y ago
I mean, if you're switching registrars because the last one banned your domain that almost sounds like an endorsement.
- walrus01 6y ago
  From a purely pragmatic standpoint you're not wrong.
fennecfoxen 6y ago
I thought Cloudflare was more about saying "we were wrong to try to be the world's speech police, and will never again bow to public pressure and take away DDOS from literal Nazis" and then taking down 8chan and other literal Nazis anyway because of public pressure.

jeffbee 6y ago

I'd like to interrupt all the sanctimonious blathering in this thread to note that Cloudflare domain registration terms and conditions are almost a verbatim copy of Google's, and includes the same unilateral cancellation clause for phishing. Cloudflare: "Cloudflare and Registry Operator may deny, cancel, suspend, transfer, redirect or modify the Registrar Services or a Registration, or place any domain name(s) on lock, hold or similar status, as either deems necessary, in the unlimited and sole discretion of either Cloudflare ... for distributing malware, abusively operating botnets, phishing, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement, fraudulent or deceptive practices, counterfeiting or otherwise engaging in activity contrary to applicable law." Google: "We may in our sole discretion, deny, suspend or cancel any registration or transaction, or place any domain name(s) on registry lock, hold or similar status if ... engaging in spam, phishing, or other deceptive practices."

bashinator 6y ago
I think the primary issue with Google Domains here is not that they have these kinds of terms, but that they enforced them in a particularly incompetent way. The original report of the phishing site was over a week old and had already been resolved, when google shut down the domain. Hopefully the people at Cloudflare are a bit better at their jobs.
- jeffbee 6y ago
  Oh, I don't know that we have enough unbiased information to conclude what you concluded. One of the first comments posted in this thread today was "Is it related to the countless phishing pages hosted on your service?" from which we can deduce that the phishing problem on Gitbook is well-known to random members of the public.