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Life is too short to waste on Java? Yes, some of us really find Java that bad. Plenty of other languages have solved the same problems in much better ways (as

Life is too short to waste on Java? Yes, some of us really find Java that bad. Plenty of other languages have solved the same problems in much better ways (as demonstrated by this very discussion re: asynchronicity). I'll pick Go over Java, Erlang over Go and wouldn't pick Java (incl languages running on top of) for anything today.

nojito 6y ago
Why not? The java ecosystem has solved so many problems already. Don’t you want to just focus on the business problems?
- armitron 6y ago
  I don't solve business problems, I solve my own problems and try to have fun along the way.
- lostcolony 6y ago
  The business problem still can include things like "concurrency", which is just -painful- in Java, especially if I/O bound. I much prefer languages that make easy stuff harder, but hard stuff easier, than languages like Java that make easy stuff easier, and hard stuff harder.
- waheoo 6y ago
  Java doesnt solve business problems. It solves enterprise ones. Or at least claims to.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Enterprises do business last time I checked.
  - dkersten 6y ago
    The Java ecosystem has solved many business problems, for me and plenty of other people I personally know, both in small startups and in large companies. Just because you are personally prejudiced against Java for some reason, doesn't mean that its not a good ecosystem, because it is. I don't like Java the language (and certainly not the crazy frameworks), although it has improved, but the ecosystem, especially from Clojure, is fantastic.
bcrosby95 6y ago
I usually find immutability to be more important than this particular detail. Because of this my preference is usually Elixir/Erlang, followed closely by Clojure (for the potential interop with a huge ecosystem), with languages like Go and Java fairly close to eachother but pretty far down list. I would love it if Clojure on BEAM were more mainstream.
- didibus 6y ago
  https://github.com/clojerl/clojerl https://github.com/clojerl/clojerl ?
raspasov 6y ago
You are confusing Java with the JVM.
- armitron 6y ago
  No I'm not, there is no escaping Java when you work with Clojure, since you'll be using Java libraries and working with Java APIs all the time.
  - dkersten 6y ago
    Depends on what you're doing.

nojito 6y ago

Why not? The java ecosystem has solved so many problems already. Don’t you want to just focus on the business problems?

armitron 6y ago
I don't solve business problems, I solve my own problems and try to have fun along the way.
lostcolony 6y ago
The business problem still can include things like "concurrency", which is just -painful- in Java, especially if I/O bound. I much prefer languages that make easy stuff harder, but hard stuff easier, than languages like Java that make easy stuff easier, and hard stuff harder.
waheoo 6y ago
Java doesnt solve business problems. It solves enterprise ones. Or at least claims to.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Enterprises do business last time I checked.
- dkersten 6y ago
  The Java ecosystem has solved many business problems, for me and plenty of other people I personally know, both in small startups and in large companies. Just because you are personally prejudiced against Java for some reason, doesn't mean that its not a good ecosystem, because it is. I don't like Java the language (and certainly not the crazy frameworks), although it has improved, but the ecosystem, especially from Clojure, is fantastic.

bcrosby95 6y ago

I usually find immutability to be more important than this particular detail. Because of this my preference is usually Elixir/Erlang, followed closely by Clojure (for the potential interop with a huge ecosystem), with languages like Go and Java fairly close to eachother but pretty far down list. I would love it if Clojure on BEAM were more mainstream.

didibus 6y ago
https://github.com/clojerl/clojerl https://github.com/clojerl/clojerl ?

raspasov 6y ago

You are confusing Java with the JVM.

armitron 6y ago
No I'm not, there is no escaping Java when you work with Clojure, since you'll be using Java libraries and working with Java APIs all the time.
- dkersten 6y ago
  Depends on what you're doing.