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When the next pandemic hits, I doubt any government will dare to attempt a closure. The costs for these closures have been high in terms of economic pain. In a

When the next pandemic hits, I doubt any government will dare to attempt a closure. The costs for these closures have been high in terms of economic pain. In addition, the protests, though they are justified due to the oppression the community has experienced, are likely undoing a lot of the effects of social distancing by putting a lot of people together in close proximity for hours. So in the end, we will have experienced a lot of economic pain for not that much benefit.

fooey 6y ago
Utah is very clearly having a significant infection surge, and the state just recommended to itself that we pretty much drop the rest of the few restrictions we ever had in the first place. https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/#incidence-epicurve https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/#incidence-epicurve https://senate.utah.gov/majority-newsroom/2020/6/2/public-health-and-economic-emergency-commission-recommends-most-of-utah-transitions-to-a-smart-green-risk-levelnbsp https://senate.utah.gov/majority-newsroom/2020/6/2/public-he...
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
  My guess is that in two weeks, we will be seeing an infection surge everywhere. So, Utah is not really losing much by opening up now.
  - devalgo 6y ago
    Mine as well. I do hope the reports saying outdoor spread is unlikely are correct becaust the protests seem to be ideal superspreader events. Hot sweaty people packed into enormous crowds coughing because of tear gas and smoke? Thankfully some people are wearing masks but it's almost a worst case scenario.
munificent 6y ago
> undoing a lot of the effects of social distancing We've had several months of social distancing, which bought us a lot of time to ramp up healthcare and medical supply manufacturing capacity.
- freehunter 6y ago
  Honest question though... did we? Did we actually ramp up healthcare and medical supply manufacturing? I saw a lot of news about it when the pandemic first started but I still see a lot of news stories about PPE shortages.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    Are you doubting Jared's ability to deliver?
  - dylz 6y ago
    My state is reopening while simultaneously not even having enough tests to be able to test one city's protestors, so this isn't going to end well.
pjc50 6y ago
The governments of other countries that had successful lockdowns will definitely do it again now they know how to do it.
- postingawayonhn 6y ago
  No way. Here in Australia or would be incredibly politically unpopular to do it again.
rland 6y ago
Well, the effect of the protests is tempered somewhat by the fact that they are all outdoors. So the risk of Covid + Protests is significantly lower than that of Covid + No Lockdown.
toast0 6y ago
> When the next pandemic hits, I doubt any government will dare to attempt a closure. > The costs for these closures have been high in terms of economic pain. It's not as if the choice is have a lock down and reduce deaths but ruin your economy vs don't have a lock down and have a lot of death with a good economy. Having a lot of death will ruin your economy too.
- mycall 6y ago
  Humans are better prepared for next pandemic, knowing what to do. This should be a factor to consider. We have adapted. Also, I'm sure coronavirus is now a high priority for science to master.
Someone 6y ago
If the next pandemic hits relatively soon, we will be better prepared, so the shutdown can be more restricted. Also, if a government doesn’t attempt a closure, and things run out of hand, the population may start a chaotic closure. I may be too pessimistic, but looking at the political climate in the USA, I think that could take the form of neighborhoods attempting to close off other neighborhoods to ward of the (perceived or real) threat of an epidemic spreading. The result could be a lot worse than what we see now.
devalgo 6y ago
>So in the end, we will have experienced a lot of economic pain for not that much benefit. This is very US-centric. Our lockdown was more or less completely useless, it wasn't enforced and case numbers continue to rise while in much of Europe they appear to have worked exactly as intended.

fooey 6y ago

Utah is very clearly having a significant infection surge, and the state just recommended to itself that we pretty much drop the rest of the few restrictions we ever had in the first place. https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/#incidence-epicurve https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/#incidence-epicurve https://senate.utah.gov/majority-newsroom/2020/6/2/public-health-and-economic-emergency-commission-recommends-most-of-utah-transitions-to-a-smart-green-risk-levelnbsp https://senate.utah.gov/majority-newsroom/2020/6/2/public-he...

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
My guess is that in two weeks, we will be seeing an infection surge everywhere. So, Utah is not really losing much by opening up now.
- devalgo 6y ago
  Mine as well. I do hope the reports saying outdoor spread is unlikely are correct becaust the protests seem to be ideal superspreader events. Hot sweaty people packed into enormous crowds coughing because of tear gas and smoke? Thankfully some people are wearing masks but it's almost a worst case scenario.

munificent 6y ago

> undoing a lot of the effects of social distancing We've had several months of social distancing, which bought us a lot of time to ramp up healthcare and medical supply manufacturing capacity.

freehunter 6y ago
Honest question though... did we? Did we actually ramp up healthcare and medical supply manufacturing? I saw a lot of news about it when the pandemic first started but I still see a lot of news stories about PPE shortages.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Are you doubting Jared's ability to deliver?
- dylz 6y ago
  My state is reopening while simultaneously not even having enough tests to be able to test one city's protestors, so this isn't going to end well.

pjc50 6y ago

The governments of other countries that had successful lockdowns will definitely do it again now they know how to do it.

postingawayonhn 6y ago
No way. Here in Australia or would be incredibly politically unpopular to do it again.

rland 6y ago

Well, the effect of the protests is tempered somewhat by the fact that they are all outdoors. So the risk of Covid + Protests is significantly lower than that of Covid + No Lockdown.

toast0 6y ago

> When the next pandemic hits, I doubt any government will dare to attempt a closure. > The costs for these closures have been high in terms of economic pain. It's not as if the choice is have a lock down and reduce deaths but ruin your economy vs don't have a lock down and have a lot of death with a good economy. Having a lot of death will ruin your economy too.

mycall 6y ago
Humans are better prepared for next pandemic, knowing what to do. This should be a factor to consider. We have adapted. Also, I'm sure coronavirus is now a high priority for science to master.

Someone 6y ago

If the next pandemic hits relatively soon, we will be better prepared, so the shutdown can be more restricted. Also, if a government doesn’t attempt a closure, and things run out of hand, the population may start a chaotic closure. I may be too pessimistic, but looking at the political climate in the USA, I think that could take the form of neighborhoods attempting to close off other neighborhoods to ward of the (perceived or real) threat of an epidemic spreading. The result could be a lot worse than what we see now.

devalgo 6y ago

>So in the end, we will have experienced a lot of economic pain for not that much benefit. This is very US-centric. Our lockdown was more or less completely useless, it wasn't enforced and case numbers continue to rise while in much of Europe they appear to have worked exactly as intended.