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What defines state-controlled? This only results in better shell operations. Cat and mouse, forever more. :) Personally, I'd rather just see ads from anyone wh

What defines state-controlled? This only results in better shell operations. Cat and mouse, forever more. :) Personally, I'd rather just see ads from anyone who wished to buy them. This way, at least I know who is trying to push what. (I don't and never will automatically believe anything an ad shows me. And neither should a single citizen.)

kelnos 6y ago
> I don't and never will automatically believe anything an ad shows me. And neither should a single citizen. Unfortunately you are not the norm.
- centimeter 6y ago
  I'd rather have random foreign governments determining what idiot facebook users think than have facebook determine what idiot facebook users think.
  - throwaway2048 6y ago
    I don't think many people agree with you
- YarickR2 6y ago
  This brings up an interesting question. How come citizens are deemed qualified and knowledgeable and educated enough to vote for their governors, but not knowledgeable and educated enough to spot fake news and make their own good judgement. This is somewhat contradicting , IMHO
  - DFHippie 6y ago
    It's not that they're good at picking their government, but that this is the best of awful alternatives. And everyone is capable of being taken in by sufficiently convincing lies. Do we give up and give the liars free rein or do we try to improve the situation? The simplest rough cut to improve the situation is to remove the voices of parties whose interests are clearly aligned against the citizens' making a wise choice. Does Putin want America to be misgoverned? Then maybe he shouldn't be free to spread lies during the election.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    There are people who definitely should not be voting. The trouble is… how do we decide who they are? Well, it's as simple as whoops we're in a dictatorship now. Plus, the unwashed masses might not be very good at deciding who's acting in their best interests… but the set of people who are good at deciding who to vote for has different interests (on average) to the set of all people. So even if there were a perfect way of doing this, it wouldn't achieve what we want it to achieve. I really want the minimum voting age to be lowered to 7 – it's something my seven-year-old self swore to do. But then parents would basically get an extra vote for each child they have, given how easy it is to control a seven-year-old's access to information and how much trust they place in their parents' judgement, and that would be really bad. So I'm not actually going to support such a measure. (Rebellious teens, on the other hand… well, perhaps 14-year-olds voting wouldn't be so bad. Except there would then be higher incentives to manipulate them, and do we really want to put 14-year-olds through that? Well… you could argue they're already being put through that, so perhaps? But —)
- dathinab 6y ago
  The think is that "advertisements", "news" and political statements get mixed up. Like they advertise a YouTube channel/video, but then that YouTube channel/video contains badly manipulative content. Worse with how thinks developed in recent times on YouTube not even all of this videos have bad intention some have accidental manipulative by oversimplifying reality. Like ... explained in 10 minutes where ... is fairly complex and omitting any of the major parts will have manipulative effects on the opinions people with no knowledge about ... get. Most scarily is that I have seen some channels providing mini educational videos of this kind which for most topics try to be objective but for some topics are extremely manipulative while convincing you that they just present you the "objective" facts, in a way which clearly is NOT accidental. I'm a 20+ year old student and if I wouldn't have know more about the given topic I would have been tricked by them. So the effect such videos can have on younger people has me worried.
- chillacy 6y ago
  A lot of psychology research backs that up: the more people see something the more they like it: mere-exposure effect https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-8721.00154 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-8721.00154

kelnos 6y ago

> I don't and never will automatically believe anything an ad shows me. And neither should a single citizen. Unfortunately you are not the norm.

centimeter 6y ago
I'd rather have random foreign governments determining what idiot facebook users think than have facebook determine what idiot facebook users think.
- throwaway2048 6y ago
  I don't think many people agree with you
YarickR2 6y ago
This brings up an interesting question. How come citizens are deemed qualified and knowledgeable and educated enough to vote for their governors, but not knowledgeable and educated enough to spot fake news and make their own good judgement. This is somewhat contradicting , IMHO
- DFHippie 6y ago
  It's not that they're good at picking their government, but that this is the best of awful alternatives. And everyone is capable of being taken in by sufficiently convincing lies. Do we give up and give the liars free rein or do we try to improve the situation? The simplest rough cut to improve the situation is to remove the voices of parties whose interests are clearly aligned against the citizens' making a wise choice. Does Putin want America to be misgoverned? Then maybe he shouldn't be free to spread lies during the election.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  There are people who definitely should not be voting. The trouble is… how do we decide who they are? Well, it's as simple as whoops we're in a dictatorship now. Plus, the unwashed masses might not be very good at deciding who's acting in their best interests… but the set of people who are good at deciding who to vote for has different interests (on average) to the set of all people. So even if there were a perfect way of doing this, it wouldn't achieve what we want it to achieve. I really want the minimum voting age to be lowered to 7 – it's something my seven-year-old self swore to do. But then parents would basically get an extra vote for each child they have, given how easy it is to control a seven-year-old's access to information and how much trust they place in their parents' judgement, and that would be really bad. So I'm not actually going to support such a measure. (Rebellious teens, on the other hand… well, perhaps 14-year-olds voting wouldn't be so bad. Except there would then be higher incentives to manipulate them, and do we really want to put 14-year-olds through that? Well… you could argue they're already being put through that, so perhaps? But —)
dathinab 6y ago
The think is that "advertisements", "news" and political statements get mixed up. Like they advertise a YouTube channel/video, but then that YouTube channel/video contains badly manipulative content. Worse with how thinks developed in recent times on YouTube not even all of this videos have bad intention some have accidental manipulative by oversimplifying reality. Like ... explained in 10 minutes where ... is fairly complex and omitting any of the major parts will have manipulative effects on the opinions people with no knowledge about ... get. Most scarily is that I have seen some channels providing mini educational videos of this kind which for most topics try to be objective but for some topics are extremely manipulative while convincing you that they just present you the "objective" facts, in a way which clearly is NOT accidental. I'm a 20+ year old student and if I wouldn't have know more about the given topic I would have been tricked by them. So the effect such videos can have on younger people has me worried.
chillacy 6y ago
A lot of psychology research backs that up: the more people see something the more they like it: mere-exposure effect https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-8721.00154 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-8721.00154