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The EULA says you can't run Mac OS on non Apple hardware? Pretty sure these terms are not enforceable in Europe so safe to ignore.

dahfizz 6y ago
I've always wondered why apple gets a pass on the kinds of anti competitive suits brought against google. Google gets fined Billions of dollars for preloading a web browser in Android, but it's fine for apple to completely monopolize their hardware and software ecosystems.
- Leherenn 6y ago
  As far as I know, it's because they do not have partners. Chromium is competing with Samsung internet and others on Android, because several companies sell Android. So it's not fine for Google to force the choice. Apple is not competing with anyone else on iOS, you don't have a choice. As long as iOS does not have a monopoly in smartphones, they're in the clear.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    Doesn't that seem a bit backwards? Google faces anticompetitive scrutiny because they created an open(ish) platform that others can compete on. But Apple goes all in on a walled garden where nobody even has the opportunity to compete with them. Doesn't that feel anticompetitive? I'm certainly no friend of Google and I'm not losing sleep over them getting fined. But it seems that Apple is just as much if not more anti competitive and anti consumer, but they get a pass because of what feels like a loophole.
    - Leherenn 6y ago
      Yeah, I don't really know, I'm not a lawyer. At the same time, it makes kinda sense. No company with a product has to allow competition in. GM doesn't have to allow BMW motors in their cars. When you join a market with a product, like Apple, then you don't have to allow competition in your product. When you create a market like Google did Android, then you to allow competition in that market. I think that's the key difference, product vs market.
flemhans 6y ago
But how do you obtain the software in the first place?
- jacobush 6y ago
  Like in the 90s when people scavenged Apple ROMs. Buy old Macs, then don't use them.
- PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
  It is freely downloadable from Apple servers.
sjwright 6y ago
If you don't respect Apple's software license terms, you have no moral authority to insist anyone respects the GPL's license terms. I take it you'd have no objection to Google forking the Linux kernel for Android and refusing all requests for the source code.
- entha_saava 6y ago
  Apple's software license terms are monopolistic and actively harm the industry, unlike GPL.
  - sjwright 6y ago
    Irrelevant. Both licenses rely on exactly the same laws, morality and principles. Either you think intellectual property can be owned and licensed, or you think it should not be.

dahfizz 6y ago

I've always wondered why apple gets a pass on the kinds of anti competitive suits brought against google. Google gets fined Billions of dollars for preloading a web browser in Android, but it's fine for apple to completely monopolize their hardware and software ecosystems.

Leherenn 6y ago
As far as I know, it's because they do not have partners. Chromium is competing with Samsung internet and others on Android, because several companies sell Android. So it's not fine for Google to force the choice. Apple is not competing with anyone else on iOS, you don't have a choice. As long as iOS does not have a monopoly in smartphones, they're in the clear.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  Doesn't that seem a bit backwards? Google faces anticompetitive scrutiny because they created an open(ish) platform that others can compete on. But Apple goes all in on a walled garden where nobody even has the opportunity to compete with them. Doesn't that feel anticompetitive? I'm certainly no friend of Google and I'm not losing sleep over them getting fined. But it seems that Apple is just as much if not more anti competitive and anti consumer, but they get a pass because of what feels like a loophole.
  - Leherenn 6y ago
    Yeah, I don't really know, I'm not a lawyer. At the same time, it makes kinda sense. No company with a product has to allow competition in. GM doesn't have to allow BMW motors in their cars. When you join a market with a product, like Apple, then you don't have to allow competition in your product. When you create a market like Google did Android, then you to allow competition in that market. I think that's the key difference, product vs market.

flemhans 6y ago

But how do you obtain the software in the first place?

jacobush 6y ago
Like in the 90s when people scavenged Apple ROMs. Buy old Macs, then don't use them.
PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
It is freely downloadable from Apple servers.

sjwright 6y ago

If you don't respect Apple's software license terms, you have no moral authority to insist anyone respects the GPL's license terms. I take it you'd have no objection to Google forking the Linux kernel for Android and refusing all requests for the source code.

entha_saava 6y ago
Apple's software license terms are monopolistic and actively harm the industry, unlike GPL.
- sjwright 6y ago
  Irrelevant. Both licenses rely on exactly the same laws, morality and principles. Either you think intellectual property can be owned and licensed, or you think it should not be.