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Yes let's de-fund the police. I am sure that will have no impact on future police recruitment or their general sense of appreciation for that matter. Which I am

by Vysero 6y ago

Yes let's de-fund the police. I am sure that will have no impact on future police recruitment or their general sense of appreciation for that matter. Which I am sure will have zero impact on their willingness to put their lives on the line when they are actually needed.

djsumdog 6y ago
I think it's important not to hate the police. If there are problems with the system, it's the laws that need to be changed. We're seeing that right now with marijuana laws, and it is having an impact. We can do the same by at least offering better programs for people arrested for meth/opioids. More free treatment. If they fail out, fine, go back to the jail route, but give people a chance to at least try and choose. The police do take a lot of money, but we're also seeing more money go to teachers/schools, working-class city workers (garbage, sewer, public works). That's not always a bad thing, but if you break down the numbers, you can often find corruption everywhere (like a school district superintendent taking like a $300k income). I think the focus on police is the wrong policy choice right now. That's not the core issue. It's everything else.
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  The police have frankly earned every last scintillia of their hatred from their actions and lack of accountability. We don't accept a rapist or fraudster blaming society for the damage they do to get the sex or money they want and we should certainly hold actual authorities to higher standards instead of lower ones. The system being messed up does not negate their own moral agency and deriliction from it. To acquit them is even worse than even "just following orders" but an utterly insane "it is unfair that I am being judged by the intentions and outcomes of my actions taken on my own initiative".
  - Vysero 6y ago
    First of all: "The police have frankly earned every last scintillia of their hatred from their actions and lack of accountability." Is just ignorant. The VAST majority of police are wonderful people who have dedicated their lives to helping others. Secondly, you have no idea what the stakes are for anyone who is following orders, and it could vary from: none at all too: not being able to pay for their child's leukemia treatments.
    - jdashg 6y ago
      Wow, no, following orders for a paycheck isn't acceptable. I think most of us felt that was definitively decided at Nuremberg. There are many other ways to get a paycheck that don't involve, well, all that we keep seeing on the news.
      - newen 6y ago
        Thank you. I see too many "I was just following orders" arguments in the internet.
A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
Eh. I am assuming you meant to type defund so I am responding to that interpretation. I will open by saying that putting life on the line is part of their job description ( not unlike firefighters ) and they get appropriate social credit for that. In other words, it is literally their job. It is what they signed up for.
- Vysero 6y ago
  Yes, thank you for spotting that mistake. In any case, police barley make enough money as is.. they could always just not become police, and then where would we be? I fact, if they were smart they wouldn't become police. It's a terrible job, and is currently being attacked en masse from almost every direction.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
    We may not be looking at the same data sets[1]. Median $54k across US ( $75k in my state ) does not strike me as not making enough. But let's say I agree completely. How much would be enough? [1] https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/police-officer/salary/ https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/police-officer/salary...
    - Vysero 6y ago
      You think 54k/year is enough to risk your life every day? Would you do that? How about we start at 300k/year, and work our way up to 500k/year from there? This is the actual problem with society. We value our computer programs over our social workers. Without video games this world would be a better place. Without cops it would be absolute chaos.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
        Hmm. There are people asked to come back to work minimum wage right now and shat upon, because they are fine riding it out with unemployment. I am just saying. No need to get indignant. Oddly, I am kinda ok with it as a test run, but: 1. Where do you propose to get the money from? 2. How would you offset that cost ( I doubt you are proposing we keep the same amount of officers at that salary )? And here is a thing, for a 500k I expect a stellar, pristine cop and none of that bad apple crap. Edit: Afterthought, I am not sure you really want to get rid of video games now.

by Vysero 6y ago

djsumdog 6y ago

I think it's important not to hate the police. If there are problems with the system, it's the laws that need to be changed. We're seeing that right now with marijuana laws, and it is having an impact. We can do the same by at least offering better programs for people arrested for meth/opioids. More free treatment. If they fail out, fine, go back to the jail route, but give people a chance to at least try and choose. The police do take a lot of money, but we're also seeing more money go to teachers/schools, working-class city workers (garbage, sewer, public works). That's not always a bad thing, but if you break down the numbers, you can often find corruption everywhere (like a school district superintendent taking like a $300k income). I think the focus on police is the wrong policy choice right now. That's not the core issue. It's everything else.

Nasrudith 6y ago
The police have frankly earned every last scintillia of their hatred from their actions and lack of accountability. We don't accept a rapist or fraudster blaming society for the damage they do to get the sex or money they want and we should certainly hold actual authorities to higher standards instead of lower ones. The system being messed up does not negate their own moral agency and deriliction from it. To acquit them is even worse than even "just following orders" but an utterly insane "it is unfair that I am being judged by the intentions and outcomes of my actions taken on my own initiative".
- Vysero 6y ago
  First of all: "The police have frankly earned every last scintillia of their hatred from their actions and lack of accountability." Is just ignorant. The VAST majority of police are wonderful people who have dedicated their lives to helping others. Secondly, you have no idea what the stakes are for anyone who is following orders, and it could vary from: none at all too: not being able to pay for their child's leukemia treatments.
  - jdashg 6y ago
    Wow, no, following orders for a paycheck isn't acceptable. I think most of us felt that was definitively decided at Nuremberg. There are many other ways to get a paycheck that don't involve, well, all that we keep seeing on the news.
    - newen 6y ago
      Thank you. I see too many "I was just following orders" arguments in the internet.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago

Eh. I am assuming you meant to type defund so I am responding to that interpretation. I will open by saying that putting life on the line is part of their job description ( not unlike firefighters ) and they get appropriate social credit for that. In other words, it is literally their job. It is what they signed up for.

Vysero 6y ago
Yes, thank you for spotting that mistake. In any case, police barley make enough money as is.. they could always just not become police, and then where would we be? I fact, if they were smart they wouldn't become police. It's a terrible job, and is currently being attacked en masse from almost every direction.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  We may not be looking at the same data sets[1]. Median $54k across US ( $75k in my state ) does not strike me as not making enough. But let's say I agree completely. How much would be enough? [1] https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/police-officer/salary/ https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/police-officer/salary...
  - Vysero 6y ago
    You think 54k/year is enough to risk your life every day? Would you do that? How about we start at 300k/year, and work our way up to 500k/year from there? This is the actual problem with society. We value our computer programs over our social workers. Without video games this world would be a better place. Without cops it would be absolute chaos.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
      Hmm. There are people asked to come back to work minimum wage right now and shat upon, because they are fine riding it out with unemployment. I am just saying. No need to get indignant. Oddly, I am kinda ok with it as a test run, but: 1. Where do you propose to get the money from? 2. How would you offset that cost ( I doubt you are proposing we keep the same amount of officers at that salary )? And here is a thing, for a 500k I expect a stellar, pristine cop and none of that bad apple crap. Edit: Afterthought, I am not sure you really want to get rid of video games now.