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I can't believe they thought it was that high. I mean general unemployment is no where near 27% and you'd suspect that with threat of losing visa status, immig

I can't believe they thought it was that high. I mean general unemployment is no where near 27% and you'd suspect that with threat of losing visa status, immigrants are more likelier to take a job they dont exactly grok.

black6 6y ago
I would invite you to look at Shadow Stats for a real peek at unemployment numbers, not the “cooked” numbers from the BLS. http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-chart...
uoaei 6y ago
"grok" is defined as "comprehend the dynamics of" which I'm not sure you meant.
- shkkmo 6y ago
  That is a rather impoverished explanation of a complicated word. A closer description would be "to understand something on such a deep and personal level that the lines of identity between it and you blur." Here's a passage from the book that coined the term (as a word from an alien language) > Grok means "to understand," of course, but Dr. Mahmoud, who might be termed the leading Terran expert on Martians, explains that it also means, "to drink" and "a hundred other English words, words which we think of as antithetical concepts. 'Grok' means all of these. It means 'fear,' it means 'love,' it means 'hate'—proper hate, for by the Martian 'map' you cannot hate anything unless you grok it, understand it so thoroughly that you merge with it and it merges with you—then you can hate it. By hating yourself. But this implies that you love it, too, and cherish it and would not have it otherwise. Then you can hate—and (I think) Martian hate is an emotion so black that the nearest human equivalent could only be called mild distaste.
  - uoaei 6y ago
    The complexities of the word have been lost as the English language continues to evolve, until the colloquial understanding supplants the literal origins. We exist at a particular moment in time, and language is a tool that is used to be understood. If one wishes to use arcane and literal etymologically-derived definitions of words, it is necessary to say so.
  - ikura 6y ago
    Woah, I always thought it came from the unix utility's name - but never thought to wonder why the utility was named the way it was!
- autokad 6y ago
  good point, I didn't use it correctly
riskable 6y ago
When arguing about immigrants and unemployment I always wondered why people get so upset over it. If the immigrant is even able to collect unemployment that means they paid for it. So they're literally just getting the money back that they paid into it. Probably considerably less, even! So why should anyone care that they're collecting a benefit that they paid for? I don't get it.
- codeddesign 6y ago
  Do people get upset over legal immigrants? (Such as through marriage or relative) As far as I am aware it’s mainly about illegal immigration. However, if you are on a work visa, I believe the law states the visa is revoked if you lose your job with the employer.
- codeddesign 6y ago
  Unfortunately all media is biased, with most primarily taking a far left stance. This is likely just due to $$$ as we live in a capitalist society. If I owned a news station the questions I would ask is “what demographic is the most profitable to us?” and “what content brings in the most money?”
  - caseyohara 6y ago
    You are gravely mistaken if you think news stations slant "far left".
    - HeroOfAges 6y ago
      Are you referring to local news stations or national networks? I've also suspected CNN and MSNBC have a bias toward the "far left". What would you, caseyohara, accept as proof of left-leaning bias from CNN or MSNBC?
      - bobwaycott 6y ago
        There is a significant difference between being left-leaning, and being far-left.
3pt14159 6y ago
The question is a bit ambiguous though. I could see people thinking "I'm sure a quarter of them have been on it at some point" rather than hearing the question as "what percentage of immigrants are on unemployment at the present time?"
- T-hawk 6y ago
  The "umemployment" part of the question can also be heard incorrectly. Unemployment properly refers to a specific benefit paid out after loss of a job. But I'd bet many respondents mentally generalized from that to many other types of public assistance and welfare.

black6 6y ago

I would invite you to look at Shadow Stats for a real peek at unemployment numbers, not the “cooked” numbers from the BLS. http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-chart...

uoaei 6y ago

"grok" is defined as "comprehend the dynamics of" which I'm not sure you meant.

shkkmo 6y ago
That is a rather impoverished explanation of a complicated word. A closer description would be "to understand something on such a deep and personal level that the lines of identity between it and you blur." Here's a passage from the book that coined the term (as a word from an alien language) > Grok means "to understand," of course, but Dr. Mahmoud, who might be termed the leading Terran expert on Martians, explains that it also means, "to drink" and "a hundred other English words, words which we think of as antithetical concepts. 'Grok' means all of these. It means 'fear,' it means 'love,' it means 'hate'—proper hate, for by the Martian 'map' you cannot hate anything unless you grok it, understand it so thoroughly that you merge with it and it merges with you—then you can hate it. By hating yourself. But this implies that you love it, too, and cherish it and would not have it otherwise. Then you can hate—and (I think) Martian hate is an emotion so black that the nearest human equivalent could only be called mild distaste.
- uoaei 6y ago
  The complexities of the word have been lost as the English language continues to evolve, until the colloquial understanding supplants the literal origins. We exist at a particular moment in time, and language is a tool that is used to be understood. If one wishes to use arcane and literal etymologically-derived definitions of words, it is necessary to say so.
- ikura 6y ago
  Woah, I always thought it came from the unix utility's name - but never thought to wonder why the utility was named the way it was!
autokad 6y ago
good point, I didn't use it correctly

riskable 6y ago

When arguing about immigrants and unemployment I always wondered why people get so upset over it. If the immigrant is even able to collect unemployment that means they paid for it. So they're literally just getting the money back that they paid into it. Probably considerably less, even! So why should anyone care that they're collecting a benefit that they paid for? I don't get it.

codeddesign 6y ago
Do people get upset over legal immigrants? (Such as through marriage or relative) As far as I am aware it’s mainly about illegal immigration. However, if you are on a work visa, I believe the law states the visa is revoked if you lose your job with the employer.
codeddesign 6y ago
Unfortunately all media is biased, with most primarily taking a far left stance. This is likely just due to $$$ as we live in a capitalist society. If I owned a news station the questions I would ask is “what demographic is the most profitable to us?” and “what content brings in the most money?”
- caseyohara 6y ago
  You are gravely mistaken if you think news stations slant "far left".
  - HeroOfAges 6y ago
    Are you referring to local news stations or national networks? I've also suspected CNN and MSNBC have a bias toward the "far left". What would you, caseyohara, accept as proof of left-leaning bias from CNN or MSNBC?
    - bobwaycott 6y ago
      There is a significant difference between being left-leaning, and being far-left.

3pt14159 6y ago

The question is a bit ambiguous though. I could see people thinking "I'm sure a quarter of them have been on it at some point" rather than hearing the question as "what percentage of immigrants are on unemployment at the present time?"

T-hawk 6y ago
The "umemployment" part of the question can also be heard incorrectly. Unemployment properly refers to a specific benefit paid out after loss of a job. But I'd bet many respondents mentally generalized from that to many other types of public assistance and welfare.