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I don't understand the need for this. There is nothing criminal or embarrassing about being in public or participating in a peaceful protest. Why is this featur

by _wldu 6y ago

I don't understand the need for this. There is nothing criminal or embarrassing about being in public or participating in a peaceful protest. Why is this feature needed?

simias 6y ago
At the risk of veering slightly off-topic I really dislike the modern internet culture that judges that it's perfectly acceptable to post people's face on public websites for all to see without their explicit consent. I'd hate to find myself at the top of the Reddit frontpage or in the latest viral video, even if I don't do anything particularly embarrassing. Although I suppose that if you're participating in a protest that's not really the same thing, the whole point is to be seen after all. And signal is generally used for private messaging so it's less of an issue. So overall I guess I agree with you, I guess the Signal devs feel strongly about the current events and wanted to do something to help.
episode0x01 6y ago
Why is encryption needed? Or privacy in general? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. /s
seebetter 6y ago
There is no purpose for this. I was in the protests and amid the looting in LA. You’re being photographed for dozens of different angles. I love Signal but it’s so klunky and broken. Telegram is much more fluid despite it being less secure. And the Mayors in LA let the looting happen purposely.
lm28469 6y ago
> There is nothing criminal or embarrassing about being in public or participating in a peaceful protest. Then why are they beat up, gassed and arrested ?
- stevehawk 6y ago
  how else am i going to get to my local church for a bible photo op?
mariocesar 6y ago
Retaliation. As it happens for HK Protesters
mc32 6y ago
I wouldn’t be overly surprised that if there were protests on the right (return to work, for example) which resulted in violence that that would end up with calls for pulling this feature —maybe I’m too cynical due to the nature of the politics of speech over the last few years.
Spivak 6y ago
Because people fear retaliation from both the cops and their fan club. We’re talking about the police that (in my city) flipped, ransacked, and destroyed tables set out by volunteers to give protesters food, water, first-aid, and sunscreen. The last thing you want is to find photos or videos of yourself on a right ring YT channel because you will get doxxed, harassed and threatened.
- mc32 6y ago
  What kinds of people get doxxed? Your average protester in a march or the independents who go off script and attack bystanders, observers? The ones I recall like the bike lock incident in Berkeley was that the extremely violent get doxxed on the chans but not your average protester who isn’t smashing things.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    Not the US, but I know someone whose name ended up in a list being spread around among rightwing groups as a "left activist" because he was on FB a lot replying to anti-refugee/anti Muslim comments trying to educate the posters. Imagine having your face online, plus the resources of the police...
    - ersii 6y ago
      What country did that happen in? Germany? Did anything happen to that person, besides being on that list?
      - netsharc 6y ago
        "nothing" happened, if you consider worrying that some nutjob Nazis might show up at your door or jump you when you walk to the shops, so that you have to look over your shoulders and be paranoid, as "nothing"..
  - Spivak 6y ago
    Ahh yes, only the people that "deserve it" are subject to extrajudicial threats of violence by the police and lunatics on the internet with lots of guns and too much free time. Don't play the game of trying shift the focus on what the victim did do "deserve" fearing for their life. If someone, anyone at all, is threatened or harassed they are a victim. They can also be a shitty person but these don't cancel each other out. The truth is that the people who get harassed and doxxed are fairly arbitrary and have more to do with whatever unlucky soul the host decides to pick on that day rather than any kind of rational process. Trying to figure out how internet bullies choose their targets won't get you a satisfying answer other than "people who look like an easy target to be make fun of."

by _wldu 6y ago

I don't understand the need for this. There is nothing criminal or embarrassing about being in public or participating in a peaceful protest. Why is this feature needed?

simias 6y ago

At the risk of veering slightly off-topic I really dislike the modern internet culture that judges that it's perfectly acceptable to post people's face on public websites for all to see without their explicit consent. I'd hate to find myself at the top of the Reddit frontpage or in the latest viral video, even if I don't do anything particularly embarrassing. Although I suppose that if you're participating in a protest that's not really the same thing, the whole point is to be seen after all. And signal is generally used for private messaging so it's less of an issue. So overall I guess I agree with you, I guess the Signal devs feel strongly about the current events and wanted to do something to help.

episode0x01 6y ago

Why is encryption needed? Or privacy in general? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. /s

seebetter 6y ago

There is no purpose for this. I was in the protests and amid the looting in LA. You’re being photographed for dozens of different angles. I love Signal but it’s so klunky and broken. Telegram is much more fluid despite it being less secure. And the Mayors in LA let the looting happen purposely.

lm28469 6y ago

> There is nothing criminal or embarrassing about being in public or participating in a peaceful protest. Then why are they beat up, gassed and arrested ?

stevehawk 6y ago
how else am i going to get to my local church for a bible photo op?

mariocesar 6y ago

Retaliation. As it happens for HK Protesters

mc32 6y ago

I wouldn’t be overly surprised that if there were protests on the right (return to work, for example) which resulted in violence that that would end up with calls for pulling this feature —maybe I’m too cynical due to the nature of the politics of speech over the last few years.

Spivak 6y ago

Because people fear retaliation from both the cops and their fan club. We’re talking about the police that (in my city) flipped, ransacked, and destroyed tables set out by volunteers to give protesters food, water, first-aid, and sunscreen. The last thing you want is to find photos or videos of yourself on a right ring YT channel because you will get doxxed, harassed and threatened.

mc32 6y ago
What kinds of people get doxxed? Your average protester in a march or the independents who go off script and attack bystanders, observers? The ones I recall like the bike lock incident in Berkeley was that the extremely violent get doxxed on the chans but not your average protester who isn’t smashing things.
- netsharc 6y ago
  Not the US, but I know someone whose name ended up in a list being spread around among rightwing groups as a "left activist" because he was on FB a lot replying to anti-refugee/anti Muslim comments trying to educate the posters. Imagine having your face online, plus the resources of the police...
  - ersii 6y ago
    What country did that happen in? Germany? Did anything happen to that person, besides being on that list?
    - netsharc 6y ago
      "nothing" happened, if you consider worrying that some nutjob Nazis might show up at your door or jump you when you walk to the shops, so that you have to look over your shoulders and be paranoid, as "nothing"..
- Spivak 6y ago
  Ahh yes, only the people that "deserve it" are subject to extrajudicial threats of violence by the police and lunatics on the internet with lots of guns and too much free time. Don't play the game of trying shift the focus on what the victim did do "deserve" fearing for their life. If someone, anyone at all, is threatened or harassed they are a victim. They can also be a shitty person but these don't cancel each other out. The truth is that the people who get harassed and doxxed are fairly arbitrary and have more to do with whatever unlucky soul the host decides to pick on that day rather than any kind of rational process. Trying to figure out how internet bullies choose their targets won't get you a satisfying answer other than "people who look like an easy target to be make fun of."