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This site's front page has got a lot of red flags on it. There's another treatment of this over on sciencemag: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysteriou

This site's front page has got a lot of red flags on it. There's another treatment of this over on sciencemag: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s... This would be a pretty serious black eye for both The Lancet and the WHO, which has already been under scrutiny from multiple countries. However, it's worth pointing out that this wasn't the only study on HCQ. There have been others: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/studies-find-further-lack-covid-benefit-hydroxychloroquine https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/studies-... If the Surgisphere observational study turns out to be erroneous, it could knock another leg out from under the WHO, and if it turns out to be fraudulent, everyone involved with it deserves jail time. It'll be terrible in either case that it resulted in a bunch of other trials and studies being canceled.

sampo 6y ago
Lots of hydroxychloroquine studies or preprints have been published, and they mostly observe that the effect is close to zero (in good or in bad), either because there is no effect, or the study size was too small to detect other than large effects. But this now infamous study was the only one to suggest a clear and large negative effect.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  So, if hydroxychloroquine is not effective, what explains an extremely low COVID death rate such as what Bangladesh (a country with endemic Malaria [1]) has? Bangladesh population: 161 million [2] Bangladesh COVID deaths: 811 [3] Bangladesh COVID death rate: 811/161m = 0.000503% 1. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(13)70176-1/fulltext#:~:text=Malaria%20is%20endemic%20in%2013,Program%20(NMCP)%20in%202007 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1.... 2. https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+population&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS798US798&oq=bangladesh+population&aqs=chrome..69i57.4075j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+population&rlz=1C... 3. https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+number+of+covid+deaths&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS798US798&oq=bangladesh+number+of+covid+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57.8348j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+number+of+covid+d...
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    It really worries me how people are aggressively framing the pandemic as something in the past, and using talking points that are based on a month or two ago. It's necessary to pay attention to what's been happening in May and June. Bangladesh indeed has a much lower case and death rate so far than the hardest hit countries. But the number of daily new cases is rapidly increasing and in fact is now within the top 10 countries in the whole world. Total cases are increasing 5% a day, which is among the highest growth rates.

sampo 6y ago

Lots of hydroxychloroquine studies or preprints have been published, and they mostly observe that the effect is close to zero (in good or in bad), either because there is no effect, or the study size was too small to detect other than large effects. But this now infamous study was the only one to suggest a clear and large negative effect.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
So, if hydroxychloroquine is not effective, what explains an extremely low COVID death rate such as what Bangladesh (a country with endemic Malaria [1]) has? Bangladesh population: 161 million [2] Bangladesh COVID deaths: 811 [3] Bangladesh COVID death rate: 811/161m = 0.000503% 1. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(13)70176-1/fulltext#:~:text=Malaria%20is%20endemic%20in%2013,Program%20(NMCP)%20in%202007 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1.... 2. https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+population&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS798US798&oq=bangladesh+population&aqs=chrome..69i57.4075j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+population&rlz=1C... 3. https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+number+of+covid+deaths&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS798US798&oq=bangladesh+number+of+covid+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57.8348j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+number+of+covid+d...
- perl4ever 6y ago
  It really worries me how people are aggressively framing the pandemic as something in the past, and using talking points that are based on a month or two ago. It's necessary to pay attention to what's been happening in May and June. Bangladesh indeed has a much lower case and death rate so far than the hardest hit countries. But the number of daily new cases is rapidly increasing and in fact is now within the top 10 countries in the whole world. Total cases are increasing 5% a day, which is among the highest growth rates.